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80. Thank you very much for posting this

Thu Nov 5, 2020, 08:07 PM

Nov 2020

As far as to where the conversation is going, I agree absolutely with the direction of BLM and other groups. Maybe what I'm asking is, in defunding in this manner, are there plans for introducing additional public disclosure requirements and individual performance suitability reviews? With oversight?

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"Defund The Police" and "Democratic Socialism" are political losers [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2020 OP

dem socialists need to rebrand themselves nt msongs Nov 2020 #1

Social Democracy is more accurate and plays better. Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #30

I think we should call it "The Great Society" DBoon Nov 2020 #39

You may need to do more research... ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #82

I did. Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #86

Burry your head in the sand if you like. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #87

... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #96

I totally agree NurseJackie, ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #100

The question is not what Sanders calls himself. Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #105

You really should read what you link. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #108

You should read beyond the intros. Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #111

I read beyond the intros, I have also read all the refrences posted in my first read through 390... ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #112

...do I dare say more. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #109

yes, all of the extremely few elected Dems who falsely self-label as dem socs are just social dems Celerity Nov 2020 #88

How about Justice Dems? BainsBane Nov 2020 #113

They should start their own party instead of attacking Democrats AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #69

I see a lot more attacking of them than I do them attacking other elected Dems Celerity Nov 2020 #89

Mainstream Democrats defend the attacks by occasionally counterattacking. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #94

lol, you suggested they (no clue how expansive this 'they' is) go start their own party Celerity Nov 2020 #97

They AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #98

oh, so its oki to have a go at anything to the left of say, Klobuchar, on a daily basis (especially Celerity Nov 2020 #99

The "socialist" label cost us Miami-Dade and the Rio Grande valley AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #102

there are no socialists in the Democratic party, that is a RW talking point for almost 90 years Celerity Nov 2020 #103

I respectfully disagree. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #104

fair enough, cheers Celerity Nov 2020 #106

They DID !!! They tagged on "Democratic" thinking no one would notice the other half .... OnDoutside Nov 2020 #72

We need to redefine the fundamental purpose of the economy Klaralven Nov 2020 #77

So is gun control generally. PTWB Nov 2020 #2

I have sympathy for both but I totally agree. redstatebluegirl Nov 2020 #3

We actually moved to the right with Biden JonLP24 Nov 2020 #16

Who cares, we beat Trump. That's all that counts right now. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #83

I don't think it's Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #17

As long as the Democrats who get the most air time are constantly talking about defunding police redstatebluegirl Nov 2020 #22

I'm concerned about police violating people's rights JonLP24 Nov 2020 #26

So agree with you 100% or she is not interested in solving problems? Nice. RelativelyJones Nov 2020 #48

We won't be solving any problems unless we win the elections. NYC Liberal Nov 2020 #56

You should frame the issue as such... ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #84

How can we solve problems if we don't win elections? nt dware Nov 2020 #95

I watch a lot of cable news Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #33

I have seen no such thing on the air, much less "constantly". We also don't have BComplex Nov 2020 #55

This isn't about actually moving to the "left" or "right" ibegurpard Nov 2020 #34

BLM have been asking for it long before this election JonLP24 Nov 2020 #36

BLM has to come up with better branding ibegurpard Nov 2020 #40

Me too! get the red out Nov 2020 #38

Agreed. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #4

It's all about the right wing media machine distorting things budkin Nov 2020 #5

But which Dems actually Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #6

Jamaal Bowman won JonLP24 Nov 2020 #11

He unseated a Dem in a very blue district..while being endorsed by alot of local mainstream Dems caber09 Nov 2020 #46

AOC is probably the most prominent TwilightZone Nov 2020 #15

Ok. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #20

No, but the GOP tried to tie it to all of them. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #28

It def hurt on local level, especially here in NY... caber09 Nov 2020 #45

"Demilitarized the Police" would be good ace3csusm Nov 2020 #7

What brought this post on? gab13by13 Nov 2020 #8

Sorry JonLP24 Nov 2020 #9

the rise of the New Democrats comes again joshcryer Nov 2020 #10

+1000 JonLP24 Nov 2020 #12

Agreed 100%....good Dems have gone down here on Long Island.. caber09 Nov 2020 #13

there is no far-left... stillcool Nov 2020 #23

Pretty much. Captain Stern Nov 2020 #14

Gee, we never should have campaigned using those slogans. dawg Nov 2020 #18

Wrong.. caber09 Nov 2020 #29

I don't like to say this but I feel we just got lucky because of Covid. I know my sister and Jspur Nov 2020 #49

I posted about this a few months ago and got scortched. alittlelark Nov 2020 #19

Yes they do. I said the same thing a few months ago and was assaulted on here. redstatebluegirl Nov 2020 #24

De-Militarize the Police... Deacon Blue Nov 2020 #21

Agree. they could be called anything else Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #25

"defund the police" is about the stupidest policy slogan ever 0rganism Nov 2020 #27

Spot On...you said it better than I did caber09 Nov 2020 #31

"Law Enforcement Reform" TwilightZone Nov 2020 #32

what's really sad is ... 0rganism Nov 2020 #35

Because law enforcement reform isn't anything new JonLP24 Nov 2020 #42

yes, it's old and trite, but as a slogan it works where "defund the police" does not 0rganism Nov 2020 #51

If I had to guess, it was intentional. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #43

Because it isn't about "reforming" police. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #63

Democrats have always been terrible at messaging Poiuyt Nov 2020 #37

It's very difficult to combat fear messaging which the Republicans Jspur Nov 2020 #50

Donny Deutsch had a brilliant way that Dems could market themselves. Poiuyt Nov 2020 #52

Here's the Donny Deutsch meme Poiuyt Nov 2020 #53

I live in NC so I saw a lot of commercials of Cal Cunningham who was the democratic candidate Jspur Nov 2020 #57

I agree... Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #41

Counterpoint melman Nov 2020 #44

Biden has shown me that even when he run a strong moderate that we are still going to be branded Jspur Nov 2020 #47

+1000 Celerity Nov 2020 #91

It doesn't matter. alarimer Nov 2020 #54

Agree with you 100 percent with you have to let the Jspur Nov 2020 #60

Absolutely. Silver1 Nov 2020 #58

On the other hand, ... Straw Man Nov 2020 #59

I feel socialism is really a cover up to justify their racism. Jspur Nov 2020 #61

That's what I said. Straw Man Nov 2020 #62

Facts Aepps22 Nov 2020 #64

I was just reinforcing that you were right about Jspur Nov 2020 #66

Great minds think alike! Straw Man Nov 2020 #71

Socialism is a scare tactic from from the early 1900's. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #67

The police aren't funded nationally, are they? Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #65

Police are typically funded at the municipal level... Caliman73 Nov 2020 #68

Yes. It's not a national dialog, Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #70

Republicans will use whatever lie, hyperbole, or ignorance they can get. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #73

let's look at a county. Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #74

let's look at a county. Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #75

Federalism, it is the system we have. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #79

Thank you very much for posting this Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #80

The first was a non-starter, but Democratic Socialism was NOT on the ballot. WyattKansas Nov 2020 #76

Agreed it's really frustrating we can never leave 1980 behind in the Jspur Nov 2020 #78

Can we redux this shit later? SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #81

"Reform the police" would be much better messaging. Initech Nov 2020 #85

The REAL problem is that "socialism" is being linked to "communism" and taking away people's rights" TigressDem Nov 2020 #90

Fund justice, not murder in the streets jacksonian Nov 2020 #92

Stay Blue Thru 2022. oasis Nov 2020 #93

Let's Be Honest Aepps22 Nov 2020 #101

ABSOLUTELY!!! I'm a proud Democrat, not a socialist, and I don't want to defund the police! grobertj Nov 2020 #107