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109. Yep, this is really important, isn't it?

Reply to Warren DeMontague (Reply #108)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 01:32 PM

Oct 2012

"What will people say?"

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At U.N., Muslim world questions Western freedom of speech [View all] dkf Sep 2012 OP

bullies and thugs of islam (and other religions) are afraid of free speech nt msongs Sep 2012 #1

thanks for the concern, i think i will stick with free speech all the same. loli phabay Sep 2012 #2

This alas is an unbridgeable gulf. cali Sep 2012 #3

Perhaps it's the Muslim leaders who are hiding behind "cultural sensitivities" Recovered Repug Sep 2012 #4

You hit the nail right on the friggin head. (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #24

You may be right.nt zellie Sep 2012 #25

You are right + LOL rock Sep 2012 #35

Middle eastern Islamic nations are at the forefront of suppression of freedom. Dawson Leery Sep 2012 #38

Unless you are a male muslim, you have no rights. Quantess Sep 2012 #50

Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2012 #51

Precisely. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #79

Well, historically the muslim world was more tolerant than the christian one.. X_Digger Oct 2012 #116

Sorry, but we see too many exiled Christians and Jews from Muslim countries in LA. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #117

I think you missed the point.. X_Digger Oct 2012 #121

Lets keep it within a 500 year span please Missycim Oct 2012 #125

But the Jews have been the victims always -- whether the persecution was by Muslims or by Christians JDPriestly Oct 2012 #132

Bingo! nt hifiguy Oct 2012 #97

+1 NCTraveler Oct 2012 #128

Democracy and free speech are popular in the Middle East, but most draw a line pampango Sep 2012 #5

Except many seem to think critical cartoons are "hate speech" Bucky Oct 2012 #114

Do they really think they will get anywhere with this argument? davidn3600 Sep 2012 #6

It's a good argument, long overdue. bemildred Sep 2012 #7

Hate speech is not banned in the United States, nor should it be davidn3600 Sep 2012 #8

huh? where did you get the idea that the U.S. prohibits hate speech? cali Sep 2012 #9

The usual American narcissism I see: bemildred Sep 2012 #10

It is not confused in America hack89 Sep 2012 #11

Please the subject line see post #10. I was not talking in particular about the USA. bemildred Sep 2012 #12

please see this in your post #7: cali Sep 2012 #15

Right, and you assume I must mean the USA, despite the fact that bemildred Sep 2012 #17

yes, I assumed that the "we" was referencing the U.S. cali Sep 2012 #19

It is precisely because Europe has such laws that they must be the referent of the speakers. bemildred Sep 2012 #21

"you underestimate Mr. Morsi at your peril, he is no loudmouth lightweight" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2012 #31

Blatant backpedaling is deeply offensive to the Deity I believe in. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #93

Heh. bemildred Oct 2012 #95

Hey, at least you admit it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #108

Yep, this is really important, isn't it? bemildred Oct 2012 #109

In turn shall they be required to change Sharia law to respect other religions? hack89 Sep 2012 #16

Absolutely, they should respect other religions, why would you expect an exception for them? bemildred Sep 2012 #18

As long as the Constitution is respected hack89 Sep 2012 #20

+1. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #23

We are also free to bash Christians, especially evangelicals dkf Sep 2012 #28

Bashing is very popular all around. bemildred Sep 2012 #29

How's about bashing most major religions for their attitudes towards homosexuality? dkf Sep 2012 #30

Are we bashing the practices or the religions? bemildred Sep 2012 #33

Good grief how long have you been around here? dkf Sep 2012 #36

A while. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #37

Yeah I know I was being facetious. My bad. dkf Sep 2012 #39

Perhaps if you were more explicit about what's on your mind? bemildred Sep 2012 #42

By bashing, you mean criticizing, right? Ideas NEED to be criticized, and religion is just an idea. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #102

Something tells me you don't like religion much. That's not an argument I want the other side of. bemildred Oct 2012 #110

The problem is you equate "bashing", "criticizing", "blasphemy" etc. with infringement... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #118

The point is it's none of your business unless they are violating somebodies rights, bemildred Oct 2012 #123

Shouldn't I determine whether its my business or not? Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #134

That would depend on what "it" is, wouldn't it? And that would be your opinion, wouldn't it? bemildred Oct 2012 #137

The subject line in post #10 says "The usual AMERICAN narcissism I see..." cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #45

Very observant. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #46

Trust me. Many Muslims bash Christianity too. They won't admit it, but they feel their religion JDPriestly Oct 2012 #81

Yes. nt bemildred Oct 2012 #96

lol. Sorry, it's not even remotely a confused area of the law. cali Sep 2012 #14

"There's plenty of hate in the media in Arab and Muslim majority countries"?? zellie Sep 2012 #13

Hate speech is directed at people, not beliefs... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #74

THANK YOU! Behind the Aegis Oct 2012 #75

I agree. (Although that boundary is not always sharp, and people will mix the two.) bemildred Oct 2012 #99

People don't have a right to not be offended, and relying on intent is foolhardy... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #120

"People don't have a right to not be offended"? bemildred Oct 2012 #122

Yes I'm sure, why free speech is so difficult a concept for you to grasp I will never understand. Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #135

Do people have a right to not be offended or not? bemildred Oct 2012 #138

But not in the US glacierbay Oct 2012 #130

Actually you are right, I used a thoughtless example... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #133

No problem. nt. glacierbay Oct 2012 #136

If they ally with out local Christian extremists... I'm not so sure anymore. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2012 #22

Well they are behind us on that treestar Sep 2012 #26

In the US hate speech is protected, Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #27

Good answer cpwm17 Sep 2012 #41

Umm we kill you with a predator drone if you're involved with Al Qaeda Hippo_Tron Sep 2012 #64

So talking about AQ is enough to kill them? Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #65

Umm who's been killed for merely talking about Al Qaeda? Hippo_Tron Oct 2012 #111

Being at the "wrong" wedding is reason enough for us to kill them. Vidar Oct 2012 #119

Freedom of Speech is one of the pillars of Democracy. Quantess Sep 2012 #32

Shock and Awe cpwm17 Sep 2012 #43

Excellent point, so eloquent. Quantess Sep 2012 #44

One of the major war crimes of the last century, and that's saying something. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #56

The Muslim World needs to grow the fuck up... Odin2005 Sep 2012 #34

+1,000,000 n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #40

Muslims get offended about as much as Republicans do. Bake Oct 2012 #107

How many Republicans Missycim Oct 2012 #126

We can't be having any of that free speech stuff. Rex Sep 2012 #47

I'll side with freedom of speech over butthurt religious zealots rollin74 Sep 2012 #48

This Turkish foreign minister is an Islamist jackass jsr Sep 2012 #49

Well I guess we need to kill more of them. SomethingFishy Sep 2012 #52

"Islamophobia"? Nope. Not afraid. Fuck them and their bullying censorship. Edweird Sep 2012 #53

Meanwhile, the Western World questions Muslimn world's treatment of women. (Mine does, anyway.) WinkyDink Sep 2012 #54

So, after seeing these threads every day for two weeks now, I have one question. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #55

David Irving has published around 30 books oberliner Sep 2012 #58

I'm glad you showed up, Oberliner. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #60

id say that if he was covered by the 1st amendment then he could as long as he didnt advocate violen loli phabay Oct 2012 #85

Again, we're talking about the UN, not the United States. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #87

lol i got a feeling that this is a set up, as i said he can say what he likes but i think hes a nut loli phabay Oct 2012 #88

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #91

lol where did you get i want to murder thousands of iranians loli phabay Oct 2012 #92

Has Irving been tried in the USA? NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #59

Are you paying any attention at all? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #61

And obviously it is. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #62

Nothing personal, but I don't buy that line. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #63

Yet another case of your not seeing it because you can't or won't? Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #66

The problem is, there is no "battle," Aegis Scootaloo Oct 2012 #72

But there is a battle, Scootaloo. Behind the Aegis Oct 2012 #73

No, it's not a battle. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #76

You claim to be fighting against hypocrisy and bigotry, but you aren't. Behind the Aegis Oct 2012 #78

You're right. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #80

i think the video is not about dehumanizing people its taking the piss out of their religion loli phabay Oct 2012 #86

See, if it were JUST "lol Mohammed was a dingbat" or something, I'd agree Scootaloo Oct 2012 #89

and you know i probuably wouldnt like his movie and think hes a prick, but im not going to shut him loli phabay Oct 2012 #90

Denial cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #71

Show me. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #77

My right to free speech guarantees that I can criticize homophobes, Holocaust deniers, racists, JDPriestly Oct 2012 #82

You have the right, but apparently not the inclination. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #83

I have criticized and generously. That's what is right to do. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #94

Probably has a lot to do with the fact that Mr. Irving doesn't kill people. NutmegYankee Oct 2012 #112

You don't seem to get it. Saying I support the First Amendment is a blanket statement. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #67

Wonderful for you. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #70

I know you can't post in this thread any more MNBrewer Oct 2012 #100

Anyone should have a right to deny the holocaust cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #68

You make a good point, cthulu2016. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #84

When they allow women to drive cars alone, vote, talk to strange men and own their own businesses Vincardog Sep 2012 #57

Should we give you a call? "Get back to [you]"? closeupready Oct 2012 #105

They are expressing desired actions to be taken by MY sovereign Government Please do get back to me Vincardog Oct 2012 #106

Speaking of offending religious sensitivities... It's Blasphemy Day! backscatter712 Sep 2012 #69

I had a great Blasphemy day! MNBrewer Oct 2012 #101

Christ on a cracker! I love Blasphemy Day! n/t backscatter712 Oct 2012 #103

Are we also allowed to mock Muhammad? Because he was a pedophile. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #124

I see no problem with it! backscatter712 Oct 2012 #131

They can question it StarlightGold Oct 2012 #98

K&R - this thread has generated a lot of valuable speech. closeupready Oct 2012 #104

I don't think I'll be taking a lecture on ethnic hatred from Islamic fundamentalists today. Bucky Oct 2012 #113

I have one thing to say to them. Zalatix Oct 2012 #115

"I don't like what he says, but I defend his right to say it". Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #127

"Freedom does not mean anarchy" NCTraveler Oct 2012 #129