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tama

(9,137 posts)
31. As you say
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 07:16 PM
Oct 2012

history is tapestry of various narratives and the whole can never be fully expressed in words. What we can do is be as fully aware of the whole as possible as seen from the present ("think global&quot , make our ethical choices, follow our hearts and to choose accordingly which narratives we want to keep on telling and how to share them.

Your narrative is to show contempt to Luddites and now also to "freaking peasants", to support and validate the narrative of technocratic progress. I'm not antitech, as I write this on computer, but I see that narrative as alienated from basics of life, blinded by faux sense of control over nature. In my narrative there is a hierarchy of dependencies.

1) Ecosystem as whole is not dependent from humans, but humans are part and dependent from the whole of the ecosystem.
2) Freaking peasants are the "primary production", hunting, fishing, gathering, horticulture, which is dependent only from 1)
3) There are the various layers of secundary etc. production which are dependent from 1) and 2), but primary production is not inherently dependent from secundary etc. production, although it can be violently forced into dependence through pyramid-like social hierarchies we call civilizations. And the more bigger and complex the power hierarchy grows, the more blind and alienated from basics of life the top of the technocratic hierarchy gets. Power corrupts. Technocratic power is not interested in spreading autonomous technology like small community scale windmills etc. sustainable energy and microgrids for local self-sustainability, not organic agriculture and permaculture food forests but Monsanto-type monocultures that deplete top soil and ground water and destroy biodiversity. What it is most interested in contol mania of all the production layers below it that it robs and technology of control and destruction.

Bad comparision Confusious Sep 2012 #1
Natalie is a woman Turborama Sep 2012 #2
Of course it's not literal Confusious Sep 2012 #6
An example of a technology that has been relegated to being a historical artifact Turborama Sep 2012 #8
I usually don't read Luddite screeds Confusious Sep 2012 #11
I don't usually reply to posters who only comment on post titles Turborama Sep 2012 #14
Luddites Confusious Sep 2012 #15
Right, so essentially: "I throw ad hominem attacks at writers who's work I don't read" Turborama Oct 2012 #16
Urban dictionary? Confusious Oct 2012 #22
Winners write history tama Oct 2012 #23
I used the laughing icon to express my amusement Confusious Oct 2012 #26
You've got some cheek with your hypocritical accusations Turborama Oct 2012 #33
Three people have agreed with me so far on the betamax term Confusious Oct 2012 #38
Just asking tama Oct 2012 #41
Answer Confusious Oct 2012 #45
I don't agree with either Marx of Ogilvie nt. tama Oct 2012 #47
LOL! So, if 3 people agree with Donald Trump that makes him correct about the President's BC? Turborama Oct 2012 #46
You seem to have a hard time understanding me Confusious Oct 2012 #49
Hey, Confusion, take a deep breath and read what I wrote again... Turborama Oct 2012 #55
I actually looked at the article and it was what I expected Confusious Oct 2012 #56
Wow, not only are you moving the goalposts... Turborama Oct 2012 #62
So let me get this straight Confusious Oct 2012 #64
Peasants are working class tama Oct 2012 #66
Didn't I say Confusious Oct 2012 #67
Yes you did tama Oct 2012 #71
Luddites were part of the guild system Confusious Oct 2012 #72
Guild system can be criticized for some things tama Oct 2012 #82
So we should go back to the barter system? Confusious Oct 2012 #83
I like gift economy best tama Oct 2012 #87
Would everyone? Confusious Oct 2012 #92
Maybe so tama Oct 2012 #94
Luddites are socialists tama Oct 2012 #18
HAHA Confusious Oct 2012 #20
People who live it tama Oct 2012 #24
You know someone who was alive from 1812? Confusious Oct 2012 #27
Yes, like marxism. tama Oct 2012 #29
You seem to think having a small part of something Confusious Oct 2012 #30
As you say tama Oct 2012 #31
So is english a second language for you? Confusious Oct 2012 #39
To answer your questions tama Oct 2012 #42
Well, if you would speak english, we could Confusious Oct 2012 #44
Defense mechanisms tama Oct 2012 #48
secundary or secondary? Confusious Oct 2012 #50
Secondary tama Oct 2012 #53
I might disagree what belongs in what category Confusious Oct 2012 #54
Very good tama Oct 2012 #59
Like I said uranium mining is no different then any other mining Confusious Oct 2012 #60
A current example hereabouts tama Oct 2012 #61
That's a nickel mine Confusious Oct 2012 #63
Should and should tama Oct 2012 #65
Do you things things like this should never be done Confusious Oct 2012 #68
No we don't tama Oct 2012 #70
You can't get away from money Confusious Oct 2012 #73
Of course you can get away from money tama Oct 2012 #77
A few people can get away from money Confusious Oct 2012 #79
What is fantasy tama Oct 2012 #81
"Working for money" is primarily a psychological issue. Confusious Oct 2012 #85
Anarchy tama Oct 2012 #88
Communties Confusious Oct 2012 #91
Networks of communities tama Oct 2012 #93
Beta is actually still an industry standard in TV broadcasting n/t BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #28
It fits her purpose, since she is bashing obsession with new technologies. bemildred Sep 2012 #4
Which ones shouldn't? Confusious Sep 2012 #5
Nukes come to mind immediately, various weapons systems, thalidomide. bemildred Sep 2012 #9
It doesn't require education or experience Confusious Sep 2012 #10
Where do you think we should have stopped? the transistor? the electron tube? Zorra Sep 2012 #12
Luddite? Nt Confusious Sep 2012 #13
What do you know about luddites? tama Oct 2012 #19
Again Confusious Oct 2012 #21
Following that "logic"... Turborama Oct 2012 #34
Really? You're going to go with that nonlogic? Confusious Oct 2012 #37
Yet another logic fail, how embarrassing for you! Turborama Oct 2012 #40
No, the theory hasn't existed for millennia Confusious Oct 2012 #43
Looks like you've got some reading to do... Turborama Oct 2012 #51
Jesus Confusious Oct 2012 #52
Something else I wrote you need to read again... Turborama Oct 2012 #57
The exchange of printed money doesn't make capitalism Confusious Oct 2012 #58
Same shit, different names tama Oct 2012 #69
Division of labor in manfacturing Confusious Oct 2012 #74
That's the origin of the Greek word tama Oct 2012 #78
I always like how you ignore things you don't like Confusious Oct 2012 #80
It's not ignoring tama Oct 2012 #84
Social mobility Confusious Oct 2012 #86
I don't believe so tama Oct 2012 #89
You should believe so Confusious Oct 2012 #90
I thought the same thing when I read it -- superior performance undercut by cheaper and crappier Brickbat Oct 2012 #17
That was my first thought too after seeing the headline NT Serve The Servants Oct 2012 #32
That was my thought too 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #75
Yea I thought of the Hindenberg and airplanes too. nt Confusious Oct 2012 #76
K&R But that was a very bad analogy. The leader of a political party really needs to be more Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #3
Maybe she took a holiday in Germany green for victory Sep 2012 #7
Thank you Turborama Oct 2012 #35
Well, I've never known of anyone dying from cancer, sick with thyroid or prostate disease.. Tikki Oct 2012 #25
She's lost already Hutzpa Oct 2012 #36
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