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Turborama

(22,109 posts)
46. LOL! So, if 3 people agree with Donald Trump that makes him correct about the President's BC?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:17 AM
Oct 2012

errr... OK

Or, it just means there are 3 other people who also only read the subject line and - just like you - totally missed all the other much more important points she was actually making.

I don't want you to "adhere" to anything, I'm just stating a fact that she wasn't likening nuclear power to Betamax in any way other than they should share the same fate.

She didn't compare the two technologies in any other way, even though you are adamantly arguing she did.

Anyone who reads this thread can plainly see that.

Anyway, I stopped talking about that ages ago and have been exposing your determination to ignore anything that threatens your preconcieved ideas (dogma) and dismantling your spurious "Luddite" ad homs aimed at anyone who disagrees with you.

And now you're insisting that at the time of the Luddite revolution the working class didn't exist, they were "just peasants".


=snip=

For Katrina Navickas, author of Loyalism & Radicalism in Lancashire 1798-1815, they were working class heroes. Trade unions had been banned in 1800 and here was another way for workers to defend their livelihoods.

There's no doubt that the Luddites have been romanticised, says Dr Emma Griffin, author of A Short History of the British Industrial Revolution. They are thought of as the first workers to destroy their machinery, yet this had been going on for years. What marks the Luddites out was that they were better organised than their predecessors, she says.

But both historians agree that today's use of "Luddite" is wrong. To use the term for someone who ignores Twitter or refuses to move from analogue to digital TV is a complete misrepresentation, says Griffin.

"We use it for people who are hostile to technology, who don't want to get a mobile phone," she says. "But what concerned the Luddites about technology was that it was going to cut their wages."

=snip=

Navickas makes a point of correcting people, albeit in a lighthearted way, when she overhears them misusing "Luddite". And yet she is thankful for the frequent sloppy usage, as it keeps these textile workers' memory alive.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17770171



Working class history is generally accepted to begin with the enclosure of English commons, and the generation of paid industrial labor in manufactories in Holland and England.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class


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The process of enclosure began to be a widespread feature of the English agricultural landscape during the 16th century.

=snip=

The enclosure movement probably peaked from 1760 to 1832; by the latter date it had essentially completed the destruction of the medieval peasant community.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure



PS the reason I mentioned the golden rule as stated by Confucius is you, "Confusion", attacked her for using a bad analogy but went on to throw Luddite around as an insult, thereby using a bad analogy yourself.

Get it now?

PPS Scribes vs printing press? WTF are you on about now?

Please carry on, this is really amusing, and it's giving me an excuse to read some fascinating articles.
Bad comparision Confusious Sep 2012 #1
Natalie is a woman Turborama Sep 2012 #2
Of course it's not literal Confusious Sep 2012 #6
An example of a technology that has been relegated to being a historical artifact Turborama Sep 2012 #8
I usually don't read Luddite screeds Confusious Sep 2012 #11
I don't usually reply to posters who only comment on post titles Turborama Sep 2012 #14
Luddites Confusious Sep 2012 #15
Right, so essentially: "I throw ad hominem attacks at writers who's work I don't read" Turborama Oct 2012 #16
Urban dictionary? Confusious Oct 2012 #22
Winners write history tama Oct 2012 #23
I used the laughing icon to express my amusement Confusious Oct 2012 #26
You've got some cheek with your hypocritical accusations Turborama Oct 2012 #33
Three people have agreed with me so far on the betamax term Confusious Oct 2012 #38
Just asking tama Oct 2012 #41
Answer Confusious Oct 2012 #45
I don't agree with either Marx of Ogilvie nt. tama Oct 2012 #47
LOL! So, if 3 people agree with Donald Trump that makes him correct about the President's BC? Turborama Oct 2012 #46
You seem to have a hard time understanding me Confusious Oct 2012 #49
Hey, Confusion, take a deep breath and read what I wrote again... Turborama Oct 2012 #55
I actually looked at the article and it was what I expected Confusious Oct 2012 #56
Wow, not only are you moving the goalposts... Turborama Oct 2012 #62
So let me get this straight Confusious Oct 2012 #64
Peasants are working class tama Oct 2012 #66
Didn't I say Confusious Oct 2012 #67
Yes you did tama Oct 2012 #71
Luddites were part of the guild system Confusious Oct 2012 #72
Guild system can be criticized for some things tama Oct 2012 #82
So we should go back to the barter system? Confusious Oct 2012 #83
I like gift economy best tama Oct 2012 #87
Would everyone? Confusious Oct 2012 #92
Maybe so tama Oct 2012 #94
Luddites are socialists tama Oct 2012 #18
HAHA Confusious Oct 2012 #20
People who live it tama Oct 2012 #24
You know someone who was alive from 1812? Confusious Oct 2012 #27
Yes, like marxism. tama Oct 2012 #29
You seem to think having a small part of something Confusious Oct 2012 #30
As you say tama Oct 2012 #31
So is english a second language for you? Confusious Oct 2012 #39
To answer your questions tama Oct 2012 #42
Well, if you would speak english, we could Confusious Oct 2012 #44
Defense mechanisms tama Oct 2012 #48
secundary or secondary? Confusious Oct 2012 #50
Secondary tama Oct 2012 #53
I might disagree what belongs in what category Confusious Oct 2012 #54
Very good tama Oct 2012 #59
Like I said uranium mining is no different then any other mining Confusious Oct 2012 #60
A current example hereabouts tama Oct 2012 #61
That's a nickel mine Confusious Oct 2012 #63
Should and should tama Oct 2012 #65
Do you things things like this should never be done Confusious Oct 2012 #68
No we don't tama Oct 2012 #70
You can't get away from money Confusious Oct 2012 #73
Of course you can get away from money tama Oct 2012 #77
A few people can get away from money Confusious Oct 2012 #79
What is fantasy tama Oct 2012 #81
"Working for money" is primarily a psychological issue. Confusious Oct 2012 #85
Anarchy tama Oct 2012 #88
Communties Confusious Oct 2012 #91
Networks of communities tama Oct 2012 #93
Beta is actually still an industry standard in TV broadcasting n/t BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #28
It fits her purpose, since she is bashing obsession with new technologies. bemildred Sep 2012 #4
Which ones shouldn't? Confusious Sep 2012 #5
Nukes come to mind immediately, various weapons systems, thalidomide. bemildred Sep 2012 #9
It doesn't require education or experience Confusious Sep 2012 #10
Where do you think we should have stopped? the transistor? the electron tube? Zorra Sep 2012 #12
Luddite? Nt Confusious Sep 2012 #13
What do you know about luddites? tama Oct 2012 #19
Again Confusious Oct 2012 #21
Following that "logic"... Turborama Oct 2012 #34
Really? You're going to go with that nonlogic? Confusious Oct 2012 #37
Yet another logic fail, how embarrassing for you! Turborama Oct 2012 #40
No, the theory hasn't existed for millennia Confusious Oct 2012 #43
Looks like you've got some reading to do... Turborama Oct 2012 #51
Jesus Confusious Oct 2012 #52
Something else I wrote you need to read again... Turborama Oct 2012 #57
The exchange of printed money doesn't make capitalism Confusious Oct 2012 #58
Same shit, different names tama Oct 2012 #69
Division of labor in manfacturing Confusious Oct 2012 #74
That's the origin of the Greek word tama Oct 2012 #78
I always like how you ignore things you don't like Confusious Oct 2012 #80
It's not ignoring tama Oct 2012 #84
Social mobility Confusious Oct 2012 #86
I don't believe so tama Oct 2012 #89
You should believe so Confusious Oct 2012 #90
I thought the same thing when I read it -- superior performance undercut by cheaper and crappier Brickbat Oct 2012 #17
That was my first thought too after seeing the headline NT Serve The Servants Oct 2012 #32
That was my thought too 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #75
Yea I thought of the Hindenberg and airplanes too. nt Confusious Oct 2012 #76
K&R But that was a very bad analogy. The leader of a political party really needs to be more Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #3
Maybe she took a holiday in Germany green for victory Sep 2012 #7
Thank you Turborama Oct 2012 #35
Well, I've never known of anyone dying from cancer, sick with thyroid or prostate disease.. Tikki Oct 2012 #25
She's lost already Hutzpa Oct 2012 #36
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