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lapislzi

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32. For one thing, we don't have all the facts.

Reply to 4th law of robotics (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:53 AM

Oct 2012

This is all strictly hypothetical, but I don't feel this discussion is particularly nasty.

What we do have is epic ignorance on the part of the girl, and epic ignorance and denial on the part of her mother.

I strongly doubt that this young woman chose to become pregnant. I also strongly doubt that she had any access to contraception, reproductive health education, prenatal care. It's quite likely that the sperm donor is unaware of his role in this tragedy. Men do have a choice. They can insist on using a condom if they do not wish to become parents. If the woman refuses, they can just...you know, not have sex.

She exercised the only, horrible, choice available: to exercise the power of life and death over the newborn. That is not a choice any person should have to make. And it is a tragic choice made possible because of all the other choices that were not available.

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14 year old Girl that killed her newborn baby [View all] JI7 Oct 2012 OP

more info at this link, the girl has been charged as an adult, she was scared of parents JI7 Oct 2012 #1

No, she hasn't been charged as an adult. LisaL Oct 2012 #26

This is a terrible tragedy. Ilsa Oct 2012 #2

it happened in Florida, aren't they more likely to charge minors as adults ? JI7 Oct 2012 #3

Bet the fucker who impregnated her is walking malaise Oct 2012 #4

If it was another kid her age... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #5

I accept your if malaise Oct 2012 #6

usually you aren't supposed to get pissed about things that "could be" snooper2 Oct 2012 #24

Because, of course, it is always a man's fault. AngryAmish Oct 2012 #15

You know, that really doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. lapislzi Oct 2012 #18

+1 nt Javaman Oct 2012 #19

No the pregnancy is both their fault Missycim Oct 2012 #23

+1 Chorophyll Oct 2012 #28

To be responsible implies a choice does it not? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #30

For one thing, we don't have all the facts. lapislzi Oct 2012 #32

You admit to not having the facts 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #33

I freely admit to speculating. lapislzi Oct 2012 #39

"She exercised the only, horrible, choice available" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #35

Of course. lapislzi Oct 2012 #37

How in the world is that the only choice? LisaL Oct 2012 #40

Well, at 14 she would have to have someone drive her gollygee Oct 2012 #43

Leaving an infant in any public place would be better than killing him. LisaL Oct 2012 #44

An article I saw showed them in a trailer park gollygee Oct 2012 #46

Rational thinking: notably absent. lapislzi Oct 2012 #47

Actually, it is meant to refute a highly negative contribution to the discussion. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #34

Would you kindly explain? n/t lapislzi Oct 2012 #48

Sure. The problem with the post upthread should be patently obvious, though. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #50

Men are responsible for the reproductive decisions of women? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #29

Now who's speculating? lapislzi Oct 2012 #41

I'm not even sure it could be called "choice" in her position. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #54

I can understand get the red out Oct 2012 #7

Excellent, excellent post obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #10

I grew up in a similar home. lapislzi Oct 2012 #14

OMG are we related? LittlestStar Oct 2012 #27

a kid shouldn't have to suffer like that renate Oct 2012 #38

You are too kind! LittlestStar Oct 2012 #42

I know exactly how you felt. I felt the same... a la izquierda Oct 2012 #45

this is why i'm totally opposed to Parental Consent laws when it comes to these issues JI7 Oct 2012 #55

Me too get the red out Oct 2012 #56

Not strange at all. Teens who are isolated, ignorant about reproduction, abused or otherwise Brickbat Oct 2012 #8

You hit the nail on the head get the red out Oct 2012 #16

Are there any states where 14 is the age of consent? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #9

She could have gotten pregnant by another 14-year-old gollygee Oct 2012 #11

I don't think many states will charge another 14 year old for statutory rape 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #31

If the boy was younger than she, is she also guilty of statutory rape? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #36

Boy doesn't have to be younger. Just has to be below age-of-consent. jeff47 Oct 2012 #58

Wow. That is an unsettling story. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #12

She should have just borrowed money from her parents to start a business. MindPilot Oct 2012 #13

The girl's mother "was in complete denial"... and then there's the LeftinOH Oct 2012 #17

This is a Story that is Becoming mstinamotorcity2 Oct 2012 #20

Well, that would make sense. lapislzi Oct 2012 #22

This child needs help, not punishment. dawg Oct 2012 #21

Damn that's sad. Teens shouldn't be ashamed or fearful of that circumstance. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #25

I can only imagine the torment this child was experiencing when she did this. Arkansas Granny Oct 2012 #49

Oh, you're talking about the older of the two. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #52

Yes, the fourteen-year-old likely deserves some recognition of her fear and perceived powerlessness. antigone382 Oct 2012 #57

I think the baby deserves some recognition of his *actual* powerlessness. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #59

I'm not disputing that at all. antigone382 Oct 2012 #61

really sad story Liberal_in_LA Oct 2012 #51

Or, she could ann--- Oct 2012 #53

I shouldn't have read that. nt rrneck Oct 2012 #60