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StarfishSaver

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171. Here's a great book

Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:21 PM

Nov 2020

"Lion in the Lobby: Clarence Mitchell, Jr.'s Struggle for the Passage of Civil Rights Laws" by Denton Watson

https://www.amazon.com/Lion-Lobby-Clarence-Mitchell-Struggle/dp/0761864504

There's so much civil rights history that has been whitewashed in popular culture. Like Dr. King being both over-hyped and diminished - portrayed as a milquetoast kumbaya figure when he was actually a fierce badass while being credited as THE ONLY civil rights leader of any import when he was just one of many.

For example, I know several of the surviving civil rights lions of the time who were furious at how the movie Selma made it seem as if Dr. King had almost single-handedly negotiated the Voting Rights Act - and that it falsely portrayed LBJ as reluctant to fight for it until Dr. King persuaded him - when, as I said, he actually had very little to do with getting it passed.

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Ocasio-Cortez Not Sure She Wants to Stay In Politics [View all] babylonsister Nov 2020 OP

We can't become complacent, we have a position we need to defend now ck4829 Nov 2020 #1

Look. I like AOC. And I had hoped she would do the hard work of helping the progressive Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #78

Agree, but terminology! Democrats are the PROGRESSIVE party. Hortensis Nov 2020 #109

I agree...we must support the party. She and others must understand, in order to have majority Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #128

Yes. They won't, though. They're not just anti-progressivism Hortensis Nov 2020 #136

Once Again you Nailed It Me. Nov 2020 #149

+1000000 betsuni Nov 2020 #153

Hillary managed to not be stymied by 'the Hillary treament." ehrnst Nov 2020 #135

Easy for her to say in one of the safest districts in the country. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #2

She could have considered what would have happened if the Progressive was at empedocles Nov 2020 #11

Getting a taste of the beltway life might make her want to become a lobbyists or Boogiemack Nov 2020 #180

+1 grantcart Nov 2020 #17

She gets death threats all of the time Tom Rinaldo Nov 2020 #19

I am sure she doesn't have adequate security marlakay Nov 2020 #84

So did Obama. So does Nancy. So does Omar. So do most of the Dem former candidates. Boogiemack Nov 2020 #94

The GOP has been destroyed? robbob Nov 2020 #101

1000+ Vivienne235729 Nov 2020 #156

Just because she's in a position of power, it doesn't mean she's not a normal person. qdouble Nov 2020 #70

As Congressman Clyburn observed: We lost seats because of Medicare for All and Defund the Police question everything Nov 2020 #95

Really rigorous analysis there. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2020 #175

I'm sure that there are lots of Democrats who would be happy to represent the people of NY 14. N/T lapucelle Nov 2020 #3

News flash AOC, this is America. Wat did you expect. Dream Girl Nov 2020 #4

She's smart and passionate but shes not a House lifer BlueNProud Nov 2020 #5

Wouldn't "making money" be at odds with her world view? Blue_true Nov 2020 #31

Being a progressive is not a sin. qdouble Nov 2020 #71

I am progressive. Did I say being progressive was a sin? My progressivism is grounded in what Blue_true Nov 2020 #74

No one can say with absolutely certainty what can and can't be accomplished politically. qdouble Nov 2020 #76

Putting a man on the Moon took almost a decade, with 100% national consensus Blue_true Nov 2020 #80

Disillusionment with politics is the main reason people don't vote. qdouble Nov 2020 #86

The problem that I have with analysis like yours is you overlook inconvenient realities. Blue_true Nov 2020 #124

I'm not overlooking the reality, Democrats are just unnecessarily cautious. qdouble Nov 2020 #181

yawn Yeehah Nov 2020 #97

She says, as the progressive party wins the presidency and Hortensis Nov 2020 #6

It takes more than great ideas PatSeg Nov 2020 #54

Really good post. It's not that she couldn't be forgiven Hortensis Nov 2020 #91

Yes, youthful mistakes PatSeg Nov 2020 #166

+1000. Again, reminding me of that psychologist specializing in extremist Hortensis Nov 2020 #169

Good lord PatSeg Nov 2020 #170

This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Nov 2020 #172

:) Sure to plain good sense, but truth loses the propaganda war Hortensis Nov 2020 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Nov 2020 #176

Same regarding yours, CatLady. Hortensis Nov 2020 #178

+++ nt brer cat Nov 2020 #164

PoliticalWire would make that the main takeaway. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #7

How special comradebillyboy Nov 2020 #8

I am not an AOC fan, but if she is unnerved by what she perceives as internally hostile to anything still_one Nov 2020 #9

She feels free to attack Claire McCaskill and the comradebillyboy Nov 2020 #21

Well said still_one Nov 2020 #36

+1 BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #61

Thank you, sir! Cha Nov 2020 #88

+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #100

McCaskill started it. NT Celerity Nov 2020 #103

I am sorry. sheshe2 Nov 2020 #157

One of the issues that I see with her worldview is that Blue_true Nov 2020 #37

I agree with your assessment still_one Nov 2020 #38

People with that world view are generally much happier and more effective in ehrnst Nov 2020 #145

True. nt Blue_true Nov 2020 #146

+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #147

+1000. ehrnst Nov 2020 #139

If I Understand Her Correctly Me. Nov 2020 #150

Kids Today! RobinA Nov 2020 #158

I think more politicians should have her attitude Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #10

Term limits would be a terrible idea. SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #13

Seems to me they are quite served by the status quo nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #25

Special interests are served by the money they spend on elections. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #141

I agree - there are already limits treestar Nov 2020 #59

How? Encombants are very difficult to beat because of money Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #104

I think you mean incumbents. SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #113

Exactly. Codeine Nov 2020 #118

If it hasn't changed hands in 20 years Codeine Nov 2020 #115

I really, really despise that view. Codeine Nov 2020 #52

I think encombants become too entrenched Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #108

"Become too entrenched" is a statement without a shred of meaning. Codeine Nov 2020 #112

The US Constitution provides a method of term limits that works quite well. Vote. Hekate Nov 2020 #117

I hate the California term limits crap. Codeine Nov 2020 #119

Term limits is one reason California has too many Propositions with BLUE California voting not so JI7 Nov 2020 #161

I like her and think she will have a great future Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #12

I believe that she brings some of the issues from democrats on herself. Blue_true Nov 2020 #41

You have a point Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #43

Spanberger was angry because she had a difficult race that didn't need to be difficult. Blue_true Nov 2020 #46

Again you have a point Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #47

There is a difference between a leak and a public Tweet. Blue_true Nov 2020 #49

Yes there is Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #51

AOC had names in her Tweet. nt Blue_true Nov 2020 #60

Which tweet? Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #64

She listed the two South Florida reps that lost, the one in Iowa that lost and Blue_true Nov 2020 #67

Do you have a link? Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #79

I don't follow her. I saw the Tweet in a news story. Blue_true Nov 2020 #82

You have a link to the news story? Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #83

I found several news articles about the disagreement. Blue_true Nov 2020 #111

Won/lost table? Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #116

I am 100% sure that I saw a table that listed names, how the voted on one piece Blue_true Nov 2020 #126

This table? Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #132

Yes, that is it. She retweeted it, when I originally saw it, I thought that she did Blue_true Nov 2020 #133

Interesting Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #140

that table is a reply to AOC, not her retweeting it Celerity Nov 2020 #179

Politics is hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #14

As someone else said down thread... lapucelle Nov 2020 #24

Yes. Politics is mostly administrative, despite what one may think going in. ehrnst Nov 2020 #102

Contrary to common belief, MLK actually had very little to do with getting legislation passed StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #154

I'm referring to LBJ telling MLK that MLK being in the streets enabled him to convince ehrnst Nov 2020 #159

That's partly true. Dr. King HELPED LBJ convince legislators but he didn't do it alone StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #167

Thanks for the clarification. ehrnst Nov 2020 #168

Here's a great book StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #171

+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #107

She's right. The hostility toward progressives and progressive policies is obvious. nt Autumn Nov 2020 #15

Amen. nt RandiFan1290 Nov 2020 #16

And she's also getting constant threats from the right, as well. Reader Rabbit Nov 2020 #18

The pushback she's gotten on the Green New Deal has been eye-openng NickB79 Nov 2020 #20

Yep. Follow the money... jalan48 Nov 2020 #22

We lost a ton of seats that we should have won Gothmog Nov 2020 #23

Saw it in NC, too. It was poison. octoberlib Nov 2020 #27

The problem is assuming that tactics that win seats in a district like NY 14 lapucelle Nov 2020 #29

These programs can not be sold in anything but very blue districts Gothmog Nov 2020 #34

Confusing a nationally-driven cash cow with a national mandate lapucelle Nov 2020 #45

I didn't see Tony Gonzales attack Green New Deal in San Antonio (media market) LeftInTX Nov 2020 #81

I live in Tx-23 and that was all I saw LostOne4Ever Nov 2020 #93

It is not hostility, it is legitimate questions about how we best accomplish the Blue_true Nov 2020 #42

Please point me out to the discussion on how we can get the things we need? Because I haven't Autumn Nov 2020 #48

The problem is the mechanics of how things are done. Blue_true Nov 2020 #57

Then that problem is something that needs to be addressed. They either get an massive overhaul Autumn Nov 2020 #62

You are looking past the reality that almost half of Americans Blue_true Nov 2020 #66

You are looking past the reality that it is up to Democratic leadership to step up and move on this Autumn Nov 2020 #75

Again. Other than restating the problem, what solutions do you propose, other than Blue_true Nov 2020 #77

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2020 #137

Yeah, it's definitely sad to see the hostility. qdouble Nov 2020 #72

Yes she is. n/t Dagstead Bumwood Nov 2020 #90

AOC said she might quit politics, as some centrist Democrats blame progressives for House losses Gothmog Nov 2020 #26

A great Democrat may have said it best... lapucelle Nov 2020 #33

Can you really accomplish much as 1 of 435 Reps? She could have her own MSNBC show Alhena Nov 2020 #28

Yes PatSeg Nov 2020 #65

The politician that gets everything he or she wants is usually addressed thusly: DFW Nov 2020 #30

Our world and it's people don't have years left. Some people can do the math. nt Autumn Nov 2020 #55

As always DFW, that was very well said PatSeg Nov 2020 #63

+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #105

I agree with every point you make, DFW Hekate Nov 2020 #125

Sanders could maybe give Karma13612 Nov 2020 #165

Well said. Owl Nov 2020 #142

Well said n/t Spazito Nov 2020 #152

OK. BusyBeingBest Nov 2020 #32

Maybe she's not selling the ideas right. gulliver Nov 2020 #35

the only way to guarentee your ideals are never realized is to run away Takket Nov 2020 #39

Maybe there are better ways PatSeg Nov 2020 #58

Such irony about her own use of the word "hostility." R B Garr Nov 2020 #40

A case of unmet expectations? BlueIdaho Nov 2020 #44

It's now up to us as a civic duty to propel.. ananda Nov 2020 #50

The day Biden is announced the winner...and Putin *might* be on the way out too? Baltimike Nov 2020 #53

I think she should explore every Avenue possible if that's what she wants. BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #56

She's got to learn how to work behind the scenes. Lars39 Nov 2020 #68

Well... bye. wyldwolf Nov 2020 #69

She's young and needs to give it time mvd Nov 2020 #73

That might be best 4now Nov 2020 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Nov 2020 #87

But what would she do? The Polack MSgt Nov 2020 #89

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #92

Not a single Democratic candidate ran on Defund the Police, you are repeating RW talking points Celerity Nov 2020 #121

I live in Kentucky. They tagged Dem candidates with those slogans Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2020 #134

Odd then how James Clyburn himself said that stupid Defund the Police slogan cost us seats Hekate Nov 2020 #130

here is breakdown of the 8 flips, the narrative (solely blame the left) doesn't hold up under strict Celerity Nov 2020 #138

What do her constituents think about that? (nt) ehrnst Nov 2020 #96

"Internal hostility"? Is that like trying to primary Democratic reps outside your district? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2020 #98

When it comes down to post-election analysis... Spazito Nov 2020 #99

That's what she needs to learn.... Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #106

She should learn from the Independent Curmudgeon from Vermont Codeine Nov 2020 #120

Absolutely correct. NT Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #122

Maybe she read this. moondust Nov 2020 #110

It's not a big ask for her to realize that she's in a very safe seat, and her loose words hurts Dems OnDoutside Nov 2020 #114

Kick & Rec for the OP & thread that turned out to be a discussion worth having. TY Babylonsister. nt Hekate Nov 2020 #127

I don't mind. tavernier Nov 2020 #129

Maybe she should ask Speaker Pelosi and Hillary Clinton how they managed to stay in politics ehrnst Nov 2020 #131

+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #143

That's a shame. I like her voice. joshcryer Nov 2020 #144

"In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party." betsuni Nov 2020 #148

proportional representation systems yield non-binary, multi-party outcomes nt Celerity Nov 2020 #174

AOC should invest in law school. Judging on how well she performed on one of the House panels i feel onetexan Nov 2020 #151

Give me a break. It doesn't happen over night. If she's willing to give up now, Vivienne235729 Nov 2020 #155

See ya! nt oasis Nov 2020 #160

Okaybye! NurseJackie Nov 2020 #162

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #163

Understandable, but she has reconsidered and is happy to continue. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #177