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In reply to the discussion: NYT Reports That Senators Are Working On A Fiscal Cliff Deal — And Paul Krugman Is Already Furious [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)43. Facts:
Senators Reject Pair of Public Option Proposals
By ROBERT PEAR and JACKIE CALMES
WASHINGTON After an intense debate that captured the essence of the national struggle over health care, a pivotal Senate committee on Tuesday rejected two Democratic proposals to create a government insurance plan to compete with private insurers.
The votes, in the Senate Finance Committee, underscored divisions among Democrats and were a setback for President Obama, who has endorsed the public plan as a way to keep insurance companies honest.
The first proposal, by Senator John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, was rejected 15 to 8, as five Democrats joined all Republicans on the panel in voting no. The second proposal, by Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, was defeated 13 to 10, with three Democrats voting no.
The votes vindicated the middle-of-the-road approach taken by the committee chairman, Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana. Mr. Baucus voted against both proposals, which were offered as amendments to his bill to expand coverage and rein in health costs.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/health/policy/30health.html
By ROBERT PEAR and JACKIE CALMES
WASHINGTON After an intense debate that captured the essence of the national struggle over health care, a pivotal Senate committee on Tuesday rejected two Democratic proposals to create a government insurance plan to compete with private insurers.
The votes, in the Senate Finance Committee, underscored divisions among Democrats and were a setback for President Obama, who has endorsed the public plan as a way to keep insurance companies honest.
The first proposal, by Senator John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, was rejected 15 to 8, as five Democrats joined all Republicans on the panel in voting no. The second proposal, by Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, was defeated 13 to 10, with three Democrats voting no.
The votes vindicated the middle-of-the-road approach taken by the committee chairman, Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana. Mr. Baucus voted against both proposals, which were offered as amendments to his bill to expand coverage and rein in health costs.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/health/policy/30health.html
Blanche Lincoln voted against both, which was why the unions opposed her re-election.
Senators Send Reid A Letter Urging Inclusion Of Public Option In Health Reform Bill
By The Public Record
The Public Record
Oct 8th, 2009
Thirty U.S. Senators signed a letter today urging the inclusion of a public option in any health reform legislation that will be considered on the Senate floor. An additional 14 Senators at least have expressed support for the public option through a resolution, letter, or by voting for a strong public option during committee markups.
Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, circulated a letter Thursday to show depth of support for public option among Senate Democrats.
Thirty U.S. Senators signed a letter today urging the inclusion of a public option in any health reform legislation that will be considered on the Senate floor. An additional 14 Senators at least have expressed support for the public option through a resolution, letter, or by voting for a strong public option during committee markups.
The letter, which was circulated by U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), was signed by Brown; John D. Rockefeller (D-WV); Russell D. Feingold (D-WI); Patrick J. Leahy (D-VT); Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI); Tom Udall (D-NM); Kristen E. Gillibrand (D-NY); Roland W. Burris (D-IL); Ron Wyden (D-OR); Debbie Stabenow (D-MI); Barbara Boxer (D-CA); Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI); Michael F. Bennet (D-CO); Dianne Feinstein (D-CA); Jack Reed (D-RI); Jeff Merkley (D-OR); Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ); Benjamin L. Cardin (D-MD); Al Franken (D-MN); Robert P. Casey, Jr. (D-PA); Barbara A. Mikulski (D-MD); Daniel K. Inouye (D-HI); Edward E. Kaufman (D-DE); Arlen Specter (D-PA); Maria Cantwell (D-WA); Robert Menendez (D-NJ); Bernard Sanders (I-VT); John F. Kerry (D-MA); Herb Kohl (D-WI); and Paul Kirk (D-MA).
Support for the public option runs deep in the Senate, Brown said. Health insurance reform is all about lowering costs, improving care, and increasing choice for consumers. In too many parts of the country, one or two insurance companies control the majority of the market. This isnt good for consumers, businesses, or taxpayers. As we finalize health reform legislation, we shouldnt forget that a majority of Americans, doctors, and Members of Congress support a public option.
The Senators letter expresses concern that absent a competitive and continuous public insurance option health reform legislation will not produce nationwide access and ongoing cost containment.
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http://pubrecord.org/politics/5710/senators-letter-urging-reid/
By The Public Record
The Public Record
Oct 8th, 2009
Thirty U.S. Senators signed a letter today urging the inclusion of a public option in any health reform legislation that will be considered on the Senate floor. An additional 14 Senators at least have expressed support for the public option through a resolution, letter, or by voting for a strong public option during committee markups.
Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, circulated a letter Thursday to show depth of support for public option among Senate Democrats.
Thirty U.S. Senators signed a letter today urging the inclusion of a public option in any health reform legislation that will be considered on the Senate floor. An additional 14 Senators at least have expressed support for the public option through a resolution, letter, or by voting for a strong public option during committee markups.
The letter, which was circulated by U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), was signed by Brown; John D. Rockefeller (D-WV); Russell D. Feingold (D-WI); Patrick J. Leahy (D-VT); Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI); Tom Udall (D-NM); Kristen E. Gillibrand (D-NY); Roland W. Burris (D-IL); Ron Wyden (D-OR); Debbie Stabenow (D-MI); Barbara Boxer (D-CA); Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI); Michael F. Bennet (D-CO); Dianne Feinstein (D-CA); Jack Reed (D-RI); Jeff Merkley (D-OR); Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ); Benjamin L. Cardin (D-MD); Al Franken (D-MN); Robert P. Casey, Jr. (D-PA); Barbara A. Mikulski (D-MD); Daniel K. Inouye (D-HI); Edward E. Kaufman (D-DE); Arlen Specter (D-PA); Maria Cantwell (D-WA); Robert Menendez (D-NJ); Bernard Sanders (I-VT); John F. Kerry (D-MA); Herb Kohl (D-WI); and Paul Kirk (D-MA).
Support for the public option runs deep in the Senate, Brown said. Health insurance reform is all about lowering costs, improving care, and increasing choice for consumers. In too many parts of the country, one or two insurance companies control the majority of the market. This isnt good for consumers, businesses, or taxpayers. As we finalize health reform legislation, we shouldnt forget that a majority of Americans, doctors, and Members of Congress support a public option.
The Senators letter expresses concern that absent a competitive and continuous public insurance option health reform legislation will not produce nationwide access and ongoing cost containment.
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http://pubrecord.org/politics/5710/senators-letter-urging-reid/
Watch: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002490841
It basically states that the bill's passage depended on getting the votes of Democratic Senators who sided with the insurance companies. From the clip:
They killed the public option to appease Lieberman and others (not mentioned is that Blanche Lincoln voted against both versions of the public option in committee).
They lowered proposed taxes for medical device makers to appease Evan Bayh.
They expanded Medicaid to appease Ben Nelson.
What's fascinating is that those three Democratic Senators (and others) voted to pass the Senate bill after the public option was dropped.
Then once Democrats lost the 60th vote, they still had to rely on reconciliation to pass the Conference Report. Three Democrats bailed: Blanche Lincoln, Mark Pryor and, surprise, Ben Nelson.
The health care law was the biggest positive for low income Americans since Medicaid was implemented
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021441139
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NYT Reports That Senators Are Working On A Fiscal Cliff Deal — And Paul Krugman Is Already Furious [View all]
xchrom
Oct 2012
OP
It will finally be time to form viable parties beyond the two corporate offerings...
villager
Oct 2012
#52
The Senate after the election looks to be more democrat, if current events hold.
bluestate10
Oct 2012
#71
HAMMER MEET NAIL. They're already accusing Obama of "stealing $700 BB from Medicare", so how
bullwinkle428
Oct 2012
#18
Krugman is right - the democrats would have to be absolutely insane to deal with the republicans.
Jim__
Oct 2012
#8
Alexander Cockburn was right: He had never seen a President to eager so curry favor
byeya
Oct 2012
#12
No matter the wage level, status, retirement date, all are expected to receive far more in benefits.
dkf
Oct 2012
#22
Riiight. I'll watch food prices skyrocket while I'm told inflation is only 2%-4%
Junkdrawer
Oct 2012
#28
That's why it would be good to have assets that you can make sure keeps up with inflation.
dkf
Oct 2012
#35
Wow the projections I posted showing increasing expenses in Medicare SS and Medicaid assume cuts.
dkf
Oct 2012
#46
^^ This. Looks like someone wants to make this "agreement" seem inevitable before election day.
gkhouston
Oct 2012
#44
imho, they are allowed to make one single change to SS. And only this one.
magical thyme
Oct 2012
#19
"A major bloc of 29 senators took a strong stand today against any cuts to Social Security "
ProSense
Oct 2012
#20
It sounds the sequestration/fiscall cliff scenario is going to be undone no matter what...
DCBob
Oct 2012
#29
And far more people who'd have jobs if we didn't all squander it providing socialism for "defense"
villager
Oct 2012
#62
May be. But always glad when there's a chance for us to break bread on the "bigger picture" items!
villager
Oct 2012
#75
My guess is the rumor is a desperate attempt by republicans to get democrats
bluestate10
Oct 2012
#76