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ehrnst

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84. There have certainly been setbacks for the Dem candidates that she and others endorsed in 2020

Mon Nov 9, 2020, 06:39 PM

Nov 2020

but I'm not hearing her discuss that as a factor in judging who is and is not suited to determine the future of the party.

Of the 217 Democratic incumbents who ran in the primaries we analyzed, 214 won or advanced to the general election. Granted, that includes 19 incumbents — such as Reps. Ilhan Omar, Katie Porter, Rashida Tlaib and Ocasio-Cortez herself — who were supported by one or more of the six progressive endorsers we’re tracking. But in the 17 primaries where progressives (candidates endorsed by at least one of these six entities) went up against an incumbent, the progressive-backed candidate lost 14 times. (Newman, Bowman and Bush were the only exceptions.)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/progressive-groups-are-getting-more-selective-in-targeting-incumbents-is-it-working/

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AOC: We must govern with integrity and accountability. Laquan McDonald's life mattered. [View all] melman Nov 2020 OP

Sure Jan, but umm, you're not the boss. Budi Nov 2020 #1

And This From Someone Who Six Months Into Her First Term Me. Nov 2020 #7

Another day, another Dem target. Signals from the top. Budi Nov 2020 #14

Wow... Spazito Nov 2020 #2

I find the dismissal of AOC here cilla4progress Nov 2020 #3

As disappointing as her dismissal of the Democratic Party as expressed in Heather Cherone's tweet? George II Nov 2020 #4

Did She Really Say The DEms Are Incompetent? Me. Nov 2020 #8

There was an article going around pointing out that she expressed that sentiment without using.... George II Nov 2020 #15

My, My, My Me. Nov 2020 #20

I find it revealing melman Nov 2020 #5

YEP. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #18

I realized when Bloomberg entered the primaries. jalan48 Nov 2020 #21

You mean the Mike Bloomberg that cost us a Senate seat in 2016 and 3 seats on the Supreme liskddksil Nov 2020 #46

Yeah, that guy. jalan48 Nov 2020 #50

Didn't Michael Bloomberg speak at the 2016 Democratic National Convention, support Clinton.... George II Nov 2020 #86

Doesn't matter. When it mattered most he failed us nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #100

How do you feel about her dismissal of the Democratic Party (as noted in Heather Cherone's tweet)? George II Nov 2020 #31

Thanks for reminding me melman Nov 2020 #43

Funny. George II Nov 2020 #54

Still avoiding the relevant response, eh? LanternWaste Nov 2020 #71

I don't think you do get it melman Nov 2020 #73

And if you read responses to you you'd see that the question was irrelevant. It was answered.... George II Nov 2020 #76

It's already been established that that excuse is a lie melman Nov 2020 #78

At one time the best President of our lifetimes, Barack Obama, was against same sex marriage.... George II Nov 2020 #80

What's the excuse for this one? melman Nov 2020 #79

I find the corollary just as disappointing. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #70

I wonder why? BainsBane Nov 2020 #97

I hope she doesn't think it appropriate to air everything on twitter. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #6

Umm freedom of speech is a thing and if you don't like it don't read it nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #9

58Sunliner didn't say she shouldn't, but mentioned it wasn't appropriate. George II Nov 2020 #13

For the record, I really like her. But I don't think using twitter to try to drive policy 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #22

You are correct. Divisive indeed. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #75

+1000. ehrnst Nov 2020 #83

So is good judgement and pausing a moment to reflect and consider WWND?* NurseJackie Nov 2020 #67

House Dems under her leadership had a poor election cycle. Right liskddksil Nov 2020 #72

"we got blamed for the lack of economic stimulus"-by who? 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #77

Since when was Speaker Pelosi been responsible for doing the job of the DCCC chair? ehrnst Nov 2020 #82

Wrong. What constitutes a "poor election cycle".... George II Nov 2020 #85

One where we are on track to lose more than 10 seats including liskddksil Nov 2020 #90

Well then I guess it wasn't such a "poor election cycle" after all since we lost only 8 seats.... George II Nov 2020 #94

I said on track, there are un-called races in CA we will likely lose when all is said and done nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #99

Well I guess we'll have to see if and when it becomes a "poor election cycle". Right now it's not. George II Nov 2020 #103

No one is suppressing anyone's speech, or trying to. And "freedom of speech" concerns ehrnst Nov 2020 #81

The "freedom of speech" defense is a clear indication that someone has a weak argument and... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #87

+1000... ehrnst Nov 2020 #88

Democrats lost 8 House seats of more than 230, all red districts. Democrats gained 3 House seats... George II Nov 2020 #10

Maybe Bernie Sanders should have raised the objection then JI7 Nov 2020 #11

Thank you. Big dose of truth to that twist of a falshood ... Budi Nov 2020 #24

Yes. As a Senator he's directly involved in the process. Maybe he's sensibly waiting for Biden.... George II Nov 2020 #33

I'm wondering how much the pandemic caused those setbacks in terms octoberlib Nov 2020 #23

I know here our "ground game" was virtually zero, but both our candidates won anyway.... George II Nov 2020 #26

How did we do... PTWB Nov 2020 #42

Don't know. I didn't see who she made the offer to. Would be interesting, especially compared... George II Nov 2020 #44

Rahm Emanuel is completely out of touch with working Americans, as represented by his comments liskddksil Nov 2020 #12

There wasn't poor performance among working class. non white working class JI7 Nov 2020 #17

We lost ground with both white and non-white working class. Particularly in down-ballot races. nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #29

I don't think so. And considering there are still several million votes to be counted.... George II Nov 2020 #36

Considering we lost numerous races we should have won and that Moscow Mitch will likely be in charge liskddksil Nov 2020 #41

What races did we lose that we should have won? In the House we lost only 8 seats... George II Nov 2020 #47

Maine, North Carolina, Iowa Senate races to start. Numerous liskddksil Nov 2020 #49

A net gain in the Senate and small loss in the House - all in seats we unexpectedly picked up.... George II Nov 2020 #53

False Fodder. Cha Nov 2020 #89

Imagining going after someone for objecting to RAHM EMANUEL. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #16

Or Sec of State Hillary Clinton, or Speaker Pelosi, or Senator Claire McCaskill... Budi Nov 2020 #25

Imagine someone going after Biden's choices for cabinet even before he's made them. George II Nov 2020 #27

I am definitely fine with holding allies' feet to the fire early. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #28

Even before there's a reason to do so? That certainly doesn't promote party unity. George II Nov 2020 #30

Names get floated and shot down all the time in these situations, and the party marches on. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #35

But names haven't been floated by the Biden camp yet. George II Nov 2020 #37

No, but you can be sure they are watching for reactions to all names. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #39

So in other words it's okay to start bashing prospects even they may or may not be chosen? George II Nov 2020 #57

I don't see telling the truth about Emanuel's response to the murder of Laquan McDonald as WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #58

There was no mention of Emanuel's response. None whatsoever. George II Nov 2020 #64

It's true, AOC tweeting the words "Laquan McDonald's life mattered" while quote-tweeting an WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #66

Joe Biden Won two Life Saving Elections Cha Nov 2020 #91

I don't like entitlement BainsBane Nov 2020 #34

Or at least win a Senate seat so she can be directly involved in the process. George II Nov 2020 #38

Expressing an opinion is not entitlement, Christ. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #40

Is there any indication that Biden is even considering Emanuel? BainsBane Nov 2020 #45

There are plenty of factions circulating names, hoping their faves will bubble up to someone who WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #48

Clearly you are comfortable BainsBane Nov 2020 #52

Nah, I'm just comfortable with a firebrand speaking her mind. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #55

and that is where we differ BainsBane Nov 2020 #56

Don't I know it. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #59

+ 1000 sheshe2 Nov 2020 #74

Yeah, that didn't work out so well.. Cha Nov 2020 #93

Exactly! Joe Biden won two Elections this year Cha Nov 2020 #92

AOC speaks for me! aidbo Nov 2020 #19

Why even allow Biden to choose his own cabinet? BainsBane Nov 2020 #32

If Rahm had his way, we wouldn't have the ACA as we know it today. demmiblue Nov 2020 #51

Well, I will not accept deceased actor Bela Lugosi mcar Nov 2020 #60

But I hear Vincent Price is in the running though. George II Nov 2020 #62

I won't have it! mcar Nov 2020 #69

It's hard not to notice none of the objections here deal with the actual substance melman Nov 2020 #61

Well said. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #63

She didn't even mention Emanuel in her tweet, did she? George II Nov 2020 #68

The tweet she is retweeting does BainsBane Nov 2020 #96

because how one goes about things matters BainsBane Nov 2020 #95

Because they have no actual substantive argument. They are just AOC haters pure and simple nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #101

"They"? George II Nov 2020 #102

Sorry, she is smart and talented but she is in a safe blue blue seat so her advice is not Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #65

There have certainly been setbacks for the Dem candidates that she and others endorsed in 2020 ehrnst Nov 2020 #84

Oh good some fACTS! & Why are we having Cha Nov 2020 #98