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Proud Liberal Dem

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58. Isn't this what Republicans basically wanted?

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:11 PM

Oct 2012

They spent all of last year screaming about "deficit reduction". Now that they're getting it (partially because of their own obstinacy), they're upset? They agreed to the cuts (remember how Boehner said that he got 98% of what he wanted?) if the so-called Super Committee failed and they essentially ensured its failure by refusing to deal on revenue, so now here we are.
Part of me can't help wondering if this whole "fiscal cliff" business isn't just another way for the wealthy (and their Congressmen and Senators) to cook up a new looming crisis that's going to end in disaster for most of us. Did.they.not.see.this.coming when they made the deal that led to the BCA? I agree that we need to get our fiscal house in order but I don't trust the Republicans in the House or in the Senate to agree to anything reasonable and/or equitable.

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NYT Reports That Senators Are Working On A Fiscal Cliff Deal — And Paul Krugman Is Already Furious [View all] xchrom Oct 2012 OP

If Obama wins and then changes SS and medicare n2doc Oct 2012 #1

Totally agree Cali_Democrat Oct 2012 #48

It will finally be time to form viable parties beyond the two corporate offerings... villager Oct 2012 #52

The cuts will happen on a Democratic watch. Remember two lines.... Hotler Oct 2012 #70

The Senate after the election looks to be more democrat, if current events hold. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #71

Here's Krugman's article. pampango Oct 2012 #2

+1 xchrom Oct 2012 #3

+10000 woo me with science Oct 2012 #10

HAMMER MEET NAIL. They're already accusing Obama of "stealing $700 BB from Medicare", so how bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #18

+ 1,000,000,000 WillyT Oct 2012 #33

I don't think Nancy and Harry will allow this to happen. dawg Oct 2012 #4

All eyes should turn to the Senate races.... Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #6

So Jane Hamsher at Firedoglake was right.... Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #5

We need to know more about this jsr Oct 2012 #7

Krugman is right - the democrats would have to be absolutely insane to deal with the republicans. Jim__ Oct 2012 #8

Alexander Cockburn was right: He had never seen a President to eager so curry favor byeya Oct 2012 #12

+570 Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #14

+100000!! davekriss Oct 2012 #69

Secret meetings in Congress. Silence from the campaigns. woo me with science Oct 2012 #9

Permit me one small edit: Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #55

Well edited. nt woo me with science Oct 2012 #63

K&R Krugman is not the only one who's angry. nt woo me with science Oct 2012 #11

What the hell does SS and Medicare have to do with the deficit?? Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #13

By law, we lent the Treasury the money in the Trust Fund... Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #15

No matter the wage level, status, retirement date, all are expected to receive far more in benefits. dkf Oct 2012 #22

LOL: Estimated Benefits....Reality: Catfood money Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #24

Just as long as you understand you are not getting ripped off. dkf Oct 2012 #25

Riiight. I'll watch food prices skyrocket while I'm told inflation is only 2%-4% Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #28

That's why it would be good to have assets that you can make sure keeps up with inflation. dkf Oct 2012 #35

And that's what we thought we had by paying into Social Security. Fawke Em Oct 2012 #53

Well I hope it works out for you. dkf Oct 2012 #65

And you know for sure your plans will work? eridani Oct 2012 #77

I-bonds? Kolesar Oct 2012 #56

Medicare parts B and D are funded 25% by premiums and 75% from income taxes. dkf Oct 2012 #21

Thanks Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #36

How much per year? kentuck Oct 2012 #39

Best info is from Kaiser foundation. dkf Oct 2012 #41

Cannot open file. kentuck Oct 2012 #42

Google MEDICARE SPENDING AND FINANCING 2011 and Kaiser dkf Oct 2012 #45

Wow the projections I posted showing increasing expenses in Medicare SS and Medicaid assume cuts. dkf Oct 2012 #46

That doesn't sound like a huge problem that can't be fixed. kentuck Oct 2012 #47

Medicare part D was a huge give a way to big pharma by the GOP Ganja Ninja Oct 2012 #49

Austerity for America! Octafish Oct 2012 #16

Krugman should be pissed, but ProSense Oct 2012 #17

^^ This. Looks like someone wants to make this "agreement" seem inevitable before election day. gkhouston Oct 2012 #44

imho, they are allowed to make one single change to SS. And only this one. magical thyme Oct 2012 #19

"A major bloc of 29 senators took a strong stand today against any cuts to Social Security " ProSense Oct 2012 #20

If Obama changes Social Security, I would support his impeachment adigal Oct 2012 #23

But he'll REALLY hate to do it.... Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #27

Again, ProSense Oct 2012 #30

Also on the public option zipplewrath Oct 2012 #37

Facts: ProSense Oct 2012 #43

Fact zipplewrath Oct 2012 #78

And His "Place" In History... WillyT Oct 2012 #73

It wouldn't be a "high crime" or "misdemeanor." WinkyDink Oct 2012 #32

Not that surprising RE: Simpson/Bowles....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2012 #26

It sounds the sequestration/fiscall cliff scenario is going to be undone no matter what... DCBob Oct 2012 #29

Sounds like a Karl Rove plan to discourage Democratic voters... Purrfessor Oct 2012 #31

I think this story is real. DCBob Oct 2012 #34

I think so, too.... Purrfessor Oct 2012 #38

Glad the defense contractors don't have to worry. As for people? Fuck 'em. villager Oct 2012 #51

There are quite a few "people" who would worry if they were sent layoff notices. DCBob Oct 2012 #61

And far more people who'd have jobs if we didn't all squander it providing socialism for "defense" villager Oct 2012 #62

true. DCBob Oct 2012 #67

May be. But always glad when there's a chance for us to break bread on the "bigger picture" items! villager Oct 2012 #75

I agree 100%. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #74

This is a real damper on the enthusiasm... kentuck Oct 2012 #40

Let me guess, MadHound Oct 2012 #50

We'll see him compromise just as much in his 2nd term MzNov Oct 2012 #54

The "fiscal cliff" sounds so scary doesn't it? pa28 Oct 2012 #57

Isn't this what Republicans basically wanted? Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2012 #58

K&R WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #59

Kick woo me with science Oct 2012 #60

The hard truth of the matter is that somebody has to bite the bullet... kentuck Oct 2012 #64

My guess is the rumor is a desperate attempt by republicans to get democrats bluestate10 Oct 2012 #76

How about Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2012 #66

kick woo me with science Oct 2012 #68

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #72

Kick woo me with science Oct 2012 #79