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106. Joe Manchin would surely not win in Ilhan Omar's district, or AOC's.

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AOC giving Joe Manchin the death stare over "defund the police" [View all] True Dough Nov 2020 OP

The Democratic Party is a "Big Tent!" MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #1

On the other hand some Democrats think our tent is "too big".... George II Nov 2020 #58

He wants what done to his butt? johnp3907 Nov 2020 #2

Rip it's WA-03 Democrat Nov 2020 #63

Manchin is not helping us ... at all. Laelth Nov 2020 #3

Sure he is. AOC would get eaten alive in West Virginia. And the slogan "defund the police" pnwmom Nov 2020 #13

That's why republicans laid it in us. CincyDem Nov 2020 #24

I don't think "defund the police" began as a Republican slogan, though. pnwmom Nov 2020 #76

How do you propose to control Bettie Nov 2020 #177

AOC and other politicians can control their own mouths and tweets. You can support BLM pnwmom Nov 2020 #182

He's the best we can do in WV. Laelth Nov 2020 #29

Yes, people on the left did come up with that slogan. pnwmom Nov 2020 #79

it actually goes back long before that, W. E. B. Du Bois, Black Reconstruction in America (1935) Celerity Nov 2020 #139

Well, to that end New York City has already "defunded the police", i.e., remove the white... George II Nov 2020 #163

Number of Black Patrol Cops Falls as NYPD Upper Ranks Remain Majority White Celerity Nov 2020 #164

Correct. And that will change over time, too. The upper ranks are the people who have been there... George II Nov 2020 #165

Love your comments, Laelth. SophieJean Nov 2020 #100

Thank you. n/t Laelth Nov 2020 #175

perfectly stated Celerity Nov 2020 #126

Well said Laelth! Bettie Nov 2020 #179

What you said Hekate Nov 2020 #47

Even the one that originally insisted on "defund the police" recognizes that what NYC did... George II Nov 2020 #61

Exactly, seems like there's a purity-test rush to the furthest left among some, but it kills us in Alhena Nov 2020 #68

the main purity test I see is centrists/conservatives (Manchin self-labelled as one) only need apply Celerity Nov 2020 #124

100% zebrapa Nov 2020 #101

I know. Why they can't call themselves FDR Democrats or something similar pnwmom Nov 2020 #110

strawmen, AOC is not running in WV, she did not campaign on 'defund the police', and she is Celerity Nov 2020 #123

She didn't campaign on that, she just provided ready-made quotes pnwmom Nov 2020 #129

I have said many times they need to ditch the dem soc false label, it is my main beef with AOC Celerity Nov 2020 #130

We are completely on the same page on this, Celerity. pnwmom Nov 2020 #137

AOC is savvy enough that she has been sliding away from it, but Bernie and the (thankfully there are Celerity Nov 2020 #138

Excellent post, very informative.... Spazito Nov 2020 #185

Spot on. Sanders and AOC made a mistake calling themselves... brush Nov 2020 #152

My favourite quote about American politics: anamnua Nov 2020 #181

+1000 Celerity Nov 2020 #187

And it'll probably always be that way as republicans keep reenforcing. brush Nov 2020 #205

We are ready for socialism. We have had elements of socialism for over a century. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #190

I agree we have elements of socialism like social security and medicare... brush Nov 2020 #207

She has declared herself a democratic socialist though. brush Nov 2020 #144

I already addressed that at length, and yes, she needs to distance herself from it fully Celerity Nov 2020 #148

I know. They are not "the state owns the means of production"... brush Nov 2020 #153

all good!! cheers Celerity Nov 2020 #154

Hear! Hear! n/t Laelth Nov 2020 #176

We have a minority in terms of the Senate. We need every Senate seat we can get...a GOP would Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #14

He has already declared his allegiance to McConnell and the GOP agenda. Laelth Nov 2020 #18

Point to a key Democratic vote he didn't support. brooklynite Nov 2020 #40

So far, he has been a good team player. Laelth Nov 2020 #54

We need his presence or we have no chance for a majority regardless of what happen in Georgia. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #42

Yes. We get nothing without the Senate. sheshe2 Nov 2020 #35

He did and that was a big risk for him. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #43

It was, Demsrule. sheshe2 Nov 2020 #65

I like Joe Manchin and what some don't get is by saying he will block the court expansion and Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #80

+ to all you said. sheshe2 Nov 2020 #97

Thank you sheshe. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #102

We also get nothing without progressive votes in the house, so best not to alienate them. vsrazdem Nov 2020 #64

How so? sheshe2 Nov 2020 #70

Tell that to Joe Manchin. vsrazdem Nov 2020 #117

Your response is not a response. sheshe2 Nov 2020 #118

Exactly. People have differences of opinions. vsrazdem Nov 2020 #121

+1 melman Nov 2020 #119

I guess it is up to them if they want to stop all legislation that is possible. There will have Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #84

No he voted for Kavanaugh Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #178

We need Manchin in order to have a 50 50 Senate... take a look at the 50 Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #23

Sure. Laelth Nov 2020 #50

Yep - sit back and shut up! MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #69

He caucuses with us thus he helps us...again without him, we have no chance for the Senate. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #30

I hear that. I do. Laelth Nov 2020 #37

There are no more.I want more too...the only time we had a 60 person majority, the numbers included Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #52

Others would be similar to Manchin if they are in red states. It's the people of the states you JI7 Nov 2020 #85

I definitely do not understand WV. Laelth Nov 2020 #162

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #4

I'm unable to say what I'd like to for fear of running afoul of DU rules. Doremus Nov 2020 #5

If looks could kill. njhoneybadger Nov 2020 #6

This guy is a pandering jackoff. He kacekwl Nov 2020 #7

It doesn't matter what "defund the police" is INTENDED to mean. It's a terrible slogan, pnwmom Nov 2020 #15

Yes it is and I expect it cost us seats. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #20

+1 doc03 Nov 2020 #28

But no candidate used it moose65 Nov 2020 #33

Not true... George II Nov 2020 #62

That was her answer to a question about it, I'm sure moose65 Nov 2020 #78

Said by the highest profile freshman rep did a lot of damage caber09 Nov 2020 #82

In case you haven't noticed, the R's frequently use AOC as their boogeyman, so when she added pnwmom Nov 2020 #83

Republicans will do what they do moose65 Nov 2020 #86

WE aren't buying into that baloney. But millions of Democrats and Independents pnwmom Nov 2020 #95

Unfortunately no. From her campaign website: George II Nov 2020 #87

from the article Celerity Nov 2020 #161

So you support SROs? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #191

I wish you would present the actual quotes where I said any of that. Thank you! George II Nov 2020 #194

Stop saying no one said..AOC said it herself caber09 Nov 2020 #77

I didn't say no one "said" it moose65 Nov 2020 #81

Pretty sure Omar and Tliab also supported defund the police too caber09 Nov 2020 #88

And they won re-election, right? moose65 Nov 2020 #93

They won in deep blue districts any of us would win in them lol caber09 Nov 2020 #96

Joe Manchin would surely not win in Ilhan Omar's district, or AOC's. aidbo Nov 2020 #106

Manchin would win more places than the squad would please stop kidding yourself, they cost us... caber09 Nov 2020 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Nov 2020 #147

I have to agree - it was not a slogan that Democrats used. George II Nov 2020 #98

AOC literally used it and has it on her website caber09 Nov 2020 #99

This will be the 12584th time this will be repeated on this board... Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #39

Yes it is. kacekwl Nov 2020 #74

Defunding the police means something very different than what you might think in a red Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #22

No one is waiting for explanations or nuance ever. So come up EllieBC Nov 2020 #45

A Democratic Senator is a "pandering jackoff"? REALLY???? George II Nov 2020 #66

+++ sheshe2 Nov 2020 #103

Yup. He is. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #193

I wouldn't have posted what I did if I thought that. George II Nov 2020 #196

So which specific policies/stances of his do you support? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #197

I support the fact that he's a Democrat and he wins Senate elections in West Virginia... George II Nov 2020 #198

He votes with Trump about 61% of the time. But I see you don't want to say when you support him. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #199

I don't know where that number comes from but 538 says he votes "with" trump 32% of the time.... George II Nov 2020 #201

538 doesn't say that melman Nov 2020 #206

Actually 538 says he has voted 77% of the time with the Democratic Party... Spazito Nov 2020 #214

Yes, the current Congress. The point was made about how much he votes with trump. George II Nov 2020 #225

I would hazard a guess there would be no other Democrat that could... Spazito Nov 2020 #226

.... George II Nov 2020 #219

Okay melman Nov 2020 #221

Just a little place called factcheck.org Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #210

There are plenty of people who advocate "defund the police" who mean abolish the police Sapient Donkey Nov 2020 #104

+1000 Celerity Nov 2020 #125

Defund the police is the dumbest slogan ever. AOC needs to distance herself... brush Nov 2020 #8

I agree. LisaM Nov 2020 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2020 #38

But she has it on her campaign website. George II Nov 2020 #92

She needs to take that down. brush Nov 2020 #105

good thing she did not come up with it, nor campaign on it. Manchin is using a RW bullshit meme Celerity Nov 2020 #127

I don't know who came up with it, but she campaigned on it. She refers to it on her campaign website George II Nov 2020 #157

She listed a statement on it with additional caveats that flesh it out (that people leave out) Celerity Nov 2020 #159

See post #62 please. George II Nov 2020 #160

Becsuse one represents blue New York and the other red west Virginia JI7 Nov 2020 #10

+1. Thank you for your common sense ChazII Nov 2020 #12

Manchin is pandering to his base. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #11

If we lose Joe Manchin, the Georgie seats would not even matter and the new Arizona Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #16

I'm not suggesting we lose Manchin. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #46

Good to know! Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #55

Sinema is just as conservative and likely to defect on many things a micrometre too far to the left Celerity Nov 2020 #140

That is what one does...they serve their constituents. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #19

I'm not arguing otherwise. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #32

And so is she. The slogan "defund the police" only works for a narrow slice of educated Americans pnwmom Nov 2020 #21

I honestly don't know of *any* notable politician who uses the phrase... LanternWaste Nov 2020 #44

It literally means "no police". About the dumbest bit of messaging ever. brush Nov 2020 #108

It literally does not mean that. It isn't "un"fund the police, it's "de"fund the police. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #195

Hahahahahahahaha! Seriously? brush Nov 2020 #204

"withdraw" does not equal "remove" Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #211

When did I say I want to keep police as they are? brush Nov 2020 #213

We could start by letting people know that defund does not mean eliminate. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #216

You stick with your inaccurate denial about what defund means. brush Nov 2020 #217

So when I fill out the "withdraw fund" sheet at my bank Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #218

Again, google it and stop with inaccurate statements. brush Nov 2020 #220

"Google it" isn't an answer. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #222

I can't stand Manchin BainsBane Nov 2020 #17

Well I am on one side, but.. mvd Nov 2020 #25

That slogan is like saying "please vote me out of office." fearnobush Nov 2020 #26

Good lord, why would the Representative tweet anything the right wing rag... Spazito Nov 2020 #27

The "Examiner" link is in Manchin's original tweet melman Nov 2020 #36

But why on earth would she attach her own photo to it.... Spazito Nov 2020 #41

lol melman Nov 2020 #49

Ahhh, no answer to the question, original and second, of why the attachment of Spazito Nov 2020 #51

Sadly that's the way it is sometimes, or more correctly most of the time. "It is what it is"! George II Nov 2020 #56

LOL, too true! n/t Spazito Nov 2020 #59

Hint: if one hunts hard enough, one can find an insult anywhere. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #57

Bazinga! George II Nov 2020 #72

Demilitarize the police is more accurate. LSFL Nov 2020 #31

While I agree with the intent, saying "defund the police" was very shortsighted relayerbob Nov 2020 #34

Then it isn't helpful for Joe Manchin to go on about it. nt. Mariana Nov 2020 #156

Democrats as a whole don't understand teams. relayerbob Nov 2020 #186

Really. ismnotwasm Nov 2020 #48

I'll take Manchin over AOC... BGBD Nov 2020 #53

+1 BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #60

The post your plus oneing has a glaring lie, so you might want to pour it out nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #122

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #133

You speak the truth. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #142

Guess you like Brett on the Court? Nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #167

LOL! I said no such thing and you know it. What I said was "he speaks the truth." NurseJackie Nov 2020 #171

I luv you. betsuni Nov 2020 #143

Brett stan here nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #168

I luv smart people. betsuni Nov 2020 #184

Well said. OnDoutside Nov 2020 #149

Just wandered into the Kavanagh fan club I guess nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #170

Is that how you spell Manchin ? OnDoutside Nov 2020 #183

Guess I wandered into Free Republic. Kavanaugh liskddksil Nov 2020 #166

We need to WIN ELECTIONS, period.... steve2470 Nov 2020 #173

+1 nsd Nov 2020 #71

Amen +1.. caber09 Nov 2020 #73

Thank you fearnobush Nov 2020 #109

Umm, Manchin voted for Kavenaugh. Check your sources before smearing AOC nt liskddksil Nov 2020 #120

Umm, read his post #133 about Manchin's yes vote. It didn't matter at that point. n/t zackymilly Nov 2020 #145

The poster's original post said Manchin voted against Kavenaugh and than when I call them liskddksil Nov 2020 #174

+a million. & double that drink! Budi Nov 2020 #128

This! Polybius Nov 2020 #134

One of those people outraged that AOC danced on a rooftop right here folks ck4829 Nov 2020 #141

"outraged". LOL nt zackymilly Nov 2020 #146

Add another +1 from me mtnsnake Nov 2020 #172

He makes valid points. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #67

The "Defund the Police" Mantra Was Stupid Phrasing and a Gift To the GOP n/t Indykatie Nov 2020 #75

So you admit the goops are better at messaging dems wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #90

Refund the police is stupid! Reform the police is better! Nt USALiberal Nov 2020 #94

"I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat." regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #89

Like herding cats... Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #91

Please Democrats, let that phrase die. It's a flop. Baked Potato Nov 2020 #111

Tell it to Joe Manchin. nt. Mariana Nov 2020 #155

I get it. And I REALLY like AOC, and have said so many times here. Baked Potato Nov 2020 #192

When the progressive left can win somewhere more competitive than D+20.... brooklynite Nov 2020 #112

works both ways, when Manchin can win in a Dem primary in an AOC type district, then he can Celerity Nov 2020 #131

+1. and this is not about 'winning in xyz district' as some are radius777 Nov 2020 #136

No it doesn't brooklynite Nov 2020 #151

yes it does, Manchin or a Manchin type would get pummelled in that district against a run Celerity Nov 2020 #209

And we'd still have the same level of representation in Congress brooklynite Nov 2020 #215

neither of the farthest edges of the Party, not AOC et al, nor Manchin and Henry Cuellar types Celerity Nov 2020 #223

It def does NOT work both ways... caber09 Nov 2020 #203

try running Manchin or a Manchin type there against a regular NYC left liberal Celerity Nov 2020 #208

Manchin is a white conservative who doesn't get systemic racism radius777 Nov 2020 #113

And she wants do make some drastic changes to stave off devastating climate change True Dough Nov 2020 #114

+1. The game board is tilted against us. radius777 Nov 2020 #115

lack of proportional representation will be one of the causes of death listed on the remains Celerity Nov 2020 #132

Way past time to stop being afraid of being Democrats Ell09 Nov 2020 #116

+1000 Celerity Nov 2020 #135

We have work to do with our messaging. I agree. We have... brush Nov 2020 #158

+1 Laelth Nov 2020 #180

Are we doomed? empedocles Nov 2020 #150

Good for her. She knows. Autumn Nov 2020 #169

In any other democracy eissa Nov 2020 #188

How are these two in the same party? Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #189

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #200

I don't really care for either of them. BusyBeingBest Nov 2020 #202

How? A big difference I see between Manchin and Ocasio-Cortez is Hortensis Nov 2020 #212

Don't mock the death stare Steelrolled Nov 2020 #224

Nothing makes me dislike DU more than its collective maxsolomon Nov 2020 #227

Well said Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #228