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jcgoldie

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42. Doesn't seem anyone has tried it

Reply to steve2470 (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:29 PM

Nov 2020

Not a legal expert but given the current scotus my uneducated guess is odds in his favor.

NY state will still get him...

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Sincere question: Can Trump really pardon himself ? [View all] steve2470 Nov 2020 OP

That's how Nixon played it (resign, incoming prez pardons him) sboatcar Nov 2020 #1

The incoming president isn't going to pardon him. JenniferJuniper Nov 2020 #3

I wouldn't put it past Trump to try to pardon himself sboatcar Nov 2020 #5

I think the deal would go: Trump pardons Pence and quits, then Pence pardons Trump and takes over. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #25

I believe the correct term for that is sboatcar Nov 2020 #40

I KNEW you were gonna say that, from your subject line! lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #43

Why not? Jersey Devil Nov 2020 #2

hm I don't know steve2470 Nov 2020 #6

I wasn't very clear Jersey Devil Nov 2020 #10

So much for "originalism" and "strict interpretation.". n/t Harker Nov 2020 #23

He's an international criminal...will a pardon protect him from those charges? SayItLoud Nov 2020 #4

Any would do, but I'll be rooting for Scotland Harker Nov 2020 #29

New Vanity Fair article on this: highplainsdem Nov 2020 #7

thanks for the article and your info ! nt steve2470 Nov 2020 #9

It is an unanswered question, because it has never happened in the past. MineralMan Nov 2020 #8

Pence is involved in the crimes up to his empty eye sockets. He'll demand a pardon-for-pardon deal. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #28

Yes. Well, the entire administration is corrupt and involved MineralMan Nov 2020 #34

+1000 there! lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #35

Pardon rso Nov 2020 #11

From my attorney wife (who was #1 in her con law class): Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #12

Pardon rso Nov 2020 #17

And right now, the USSC would likely allow it. liberalmuse Nov 2020 #19

I believe the power to pardon is completely in the hands of the President. davsand Nov 2020 #13

I've heard BOTH WAYS! (NO one can answer this but RUMP and the SC. i guess) bluestarone Nov 2020 #14

I say he will be double-pardoned SomedayKindaLove Nov 2020 #15

See reply 7 above. Plan would be for Trump to fake illness, Pence to become POTUS temporarily highplainsdem Nov 2020 #22

The constitution doesn't say he can't. Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #16

But the constitution does say Prez must insure laws are faithfully executed. Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #20

Why? What law would he be breaking by pardoning himself? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #26

Moral law? pwb Nov 2020 #36

The argument would be that he potentially broke the law for the good of the country Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #37

It's never been tested in court, although there is a 1974 DOJ memo that says he can't. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #38

Due to the legal uncertainty of self pardon I believe he will resign so Pence ooky Nov 2020 #18

Neil Katyal President Obama's solicitor general in an interview with Katie Couric says no Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #21

Who effing knows anymore? Bettie Nov 2020 #24

How true. IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #39

Maybe. Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #27

This will be a Supreme Court case. Trump will try to pardon beachbumbob Nov 2020 #30

Department of Justice issued a memorandum opinion on August 5, 1974, stating that a president cannot soothsayer Nov 2020 #31

Opinion, though. Jirel Nov 2020 #33

No, but it's untested. Jirel Nov 2020 #32

at most, he could pardon himself for federal crimes fishwax Nov 2020 #41

Doesn't seem anyone has tried it jcgoldie Nov 2020 #42