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Pirate Smile

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Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:05 PM Jan 2012

James Fallows: Why You Cannot Say You 'Like' Firing People - & why you can't un-ring that bell [View all]

Why You Cannot Say You 'Like' Firing People

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He was making a reasonable point about the need for choice and competition -- just as John Kerry was making a reasonable point about the different stages of the legislative process when he said "I actually voted for the $87 billion, before I voted against it." It was completely "unfair" to use that line against Kerry, because if you stopped to listen to his reasoning, the phrase was merely one clumsy out-of-context portion of a larger "sensible" statement about how Congressional politics works. Exactly as with Romney and "firing."
But of course that clip hurt Kerry -- in part because the Bush campaign team immediately rammed it home, and in part because it connected with an existing vulnerability or impression about Kerry. I think this moment from Romney may hurt him too, for all the "unfairness" of criticizing what he said, because it touches something so emotional and raw.

It's the word fire.
I have fired people, and I have been fired -- and there is no comparison in how much more excruciating the former process is. I know, agree with, and have even written a book about all the reasons why "flexibility" in the labor force is a good thing for companies and for the overall economy. People need to be held accountable for good or bad performance. Economies need to be able to move from the old -- old markets, technologies, regions, emphases -- and open up to the new. Companies very often need to "right-size" to survive. We all understand these truths. They are part of America's strength.

But people with any experience on either side of a firing know that, necessary as it might be, it is hard. Or it should be. It's wrenching, it's humiliating, it disrupts families, it creates shame and anger alike -- notwithstanding the fact that often it absolutely has to happen. Anyone not troubled by the process -- well, there is something wrong with that person. We might want such a person to do dirty work for us. (This might be the point where the Romney campaign wants to take another look at Up In The Air.) We might value him or her as a takeover specialist or at a private equity firm. But as someone we trust, as a leader? No - not any more than you can trust a military leader who is not deeply troubled when his troops are killed.

Here's a test: If you were making the point about the need for competition, can you imagine yourself saying, "I like being able to fire people..." ?
I don't think this will stop Romney in New Hampshire or in his likely progress to the nomination. It may not make any difference in the general election. But for me, it's a bell difficult to un-ring -- "I like being able to fire people" -- once it has been heard.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/why-you-cannot-say-you-like-firing-people/251123/
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!!!gnid gnid gnid ThoughtCriminal Jan 2012 #1
What does that mean? Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #2
Read it backwards ThoughtCriminal Jan 2012 #5
Unringing the bell. tclambert Jan 2012 #13
Thanks Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #23
I can see the commercial now izquierdista Jan 2012 #3
and graphics or voice-overs saying just how many people lost their jobs at these companies while, Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #6
Don't forget...grainy black & white filter... brooklynite Jan 2012 #16
Willard is a champion of the working man. Octafish Jan 2012 #4
Althought I actually understand the point he was trying to make rufus dog Jan 2012 #7
The same reason you can't go back on strapping your dog to the roof of your car coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #8
Beggin yer pardon but where in DSM IV (or in DSM IV-TR) is sociopathy defined? Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #25
I defer to you and wish to commend your meticulous attention to detail. I do want to say that coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #38
Let's just say that, as a criminal/forensic psychologist, I know a lot more than I ever wanted to Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #39
Only a sociopath would say he likes firing people. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #9
Reminds me of Bush The Wizard Jan 2012 #17
to be fair, he said he liked being ABLE to fire people thesquanderer Jan 2012 #20
Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. mac56 Jan 2012 #24
Yes, I think it's different thesquanderer Jan 2012 #28
Sooo... enjoying "having the authority" to ruin someone's life is, somehow, not the same mac56 Jan 2012 #34
The benefit of having a power you may actually have no desire to actually use... thesquanderer Jan 2012 #40
How long have you been a contortionist? mac56 Jan 2012 #41
You still find it convoluted? thesquanderer Jan 2012 #42
"You don't have to enjoy firing people to enjoy the benefit of knowing that your employees mac56 Jan 2012 #43
I heard that! lonestarnot Jan 2012 #10
There must have been a few bells ringing for Fallows... pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #11
While his contemporaries The Wizard Jan 2012 #18
And the bastard has the gall to speak of the sacrifices of those who serve: pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #27
Love the sentiment, but help me out here: Orrex Jan 2012 #12
Someone with a little conscience might feel that way. tclambert Jan 2012 #14
I concur with your final statement re: puppy kicking, but... Orrex Jan 2012 #21
You're right. And if you really feel bad about firing someone, you hire George Clooney to do it. tclambert Jan 2012 #29
I once had to lay people off. It was horrible but PA Democrat Jan 2012 #19
+! Orrex Jan 2012 #22
People who fire others rarely go into clinical depression, or kill themselves. That's all. saras Jan 2012 #26
+9000 for truth! Zalatix Jan 2012 #50
Why does anyone think Romney has anything in common with the people? lunatica Jan 2012 #15
Perhaps he asked his Personal Assistant what it's like to be a normal person. tclambert Jan 2012 #30
Left out the fact that you can't say it because a lot of people KNOW you can be fired for patrice Jan 2012 #31
I cant believe people are making a big deal of this SnakeEyes Jan 2012 #32
Nope No Sale Snake HangOnKids Jan 2012 #33
I don't see how SnakeEyes Jan 2012 #45
It is a big deal. mac56 Jan 2012 #35
Due to his education, we can assume the man, unlike lots of other people, is NOT word-deprived. patrice Jan 2012 #36
It's disingenous to take it out of context SnakeEyes Jan 2012 #44
Even more out of touch is that many of us have absolutely no health care provider at all riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #37
Two words whistler162 Jan 2012 #46
+ 1000 mac56 Jan 2012 #53
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #47
What Crap, there is no comparison to what Kerry said JI7 Jan 2012 #48
The point was that the Kerry statement - minus its context - karynnj Jan 2012 #49
yes, but my problem is by now most know the attacks against Kerry were unfair, just wrong JI7 Jan 2012 #51
I agree 100% - and the Republicans have long tried to diminish valid karynnj Jan 2012 #52
Appealing to his mean, sociopathic base with that statement. matmar Jan 2012 #54
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