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Bettie

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82. IF that's the case why are people

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 06:47 PM

Nov 2020

saying "Progressives need to STFU!" and "They damaged us simply by existing"?

I don't know that we have a clear read on what really happened, because we have no idea how much was impacted by DeJoy's fuckery or other factors.

But, for those who think that X, Y, or Z message is what "sunk" us, well, messaging is something our party can work on. If it gets better, if we become faster and more nimble in terms of snapping back at untruthful messaging, all the better.

If we call a fascist a fascist, then even better.

ETA: Here in Iowa, no one pushed back at all. Not even our congresswoman, who is now our former congresswoman. She kept on with "I'll work with anyone"...and that was about it, never struck back on anything. Now, we've got MAGA Barbie.

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Post removed [View all] Post removed Nov 2020 OP

I don't think it's right to blame the squad. However kcr Nov 2020 #1

As someone else said wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #4

I agree that the blame the left trend is false kcr Nov 2020 #5

Cook Political Map shows a nearly universal swing to Dems in 2020 Cha Nov 2020 #49

That thread and map are about the presidential vote, not Congress (or state legislatures) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #105

What is "squishy centrism"? George II Nov 2020 #86

Most Americans oppose 'Defund the Police' empedocles Nov 2020 #2

Well, you can't control messages by protestors Bettie Nov 2020 #15

There were ads I saw that basically copied AOC's website that called for defunding the police. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #32

Lots of folks have heads in the sand about the ill advised "Defund The Police" slogan. redstateblues Nov 2020 #17

I live in Ohio...and I get it. We run left and kiss the house goodbye. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #45

I got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I first saw that being posted on here. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #83

No elected democrat explicity ran on defund the police wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #19

It was used. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #36

WOW.. That's On AOC's Website!.. No denying Cha Nov 2020 #52

'Defund' was the big 'con weapon,. It cost us seats. empedocles Nov 2020 #56

I agree...Biden won. everywhere with all sort of voters...and he won in formerly red states... Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #61

Exactly. Cha Nov 2020 #62

Welcome Cha...and I saw it used in Ohio. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #58

I notice the poster still hasn't seen fit to respond to you. There are still people here who deny.. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2020 #90

"Almost" doesn't count.. Spanberger WON! Cha Nov 2020 #64

Unfortunately that's not true: George II Nov 2020 #87

Actually, Spanberger won her seat back in a traditionally very red district. ehrnst Nov 2020 #116

It was not a good slogan. I would wager that 100% of those 64% do not understand it. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #37

Spinning doesn't work in November. Defund cost signficant votes in November. Period. empedocles Nov 2020 #55

Explanation is not "spinning" Caliman73 Nov 2020 #72

If everyone is okay with right wingers continuing to rule our nation then we shouldn't blame anyone Snake Plissken Nov 2020 #3

Yep, STFU about socialism and defund the police to win... brush Nov 2020 #6

Progressive policies are not exclusive to one group. Ffs. Budi Nov 2020 #9

I'm not sure what you mean, but I do know that winning is the point. brush Nov 2020 #16

Rolf.. Budi Nov 2020 #22

Are you actually suggesting we own "defund the police", about the dumbest... brush Nov 2020 #30

Who screeched it to the press should own it. Budi Nov 2020 #46

It seems we're on the same page about this. So who are you going to blame? brush Nov 2020 #51

We are. Biden will be making an appearance in Georgia Budi Nov 2020 #54

The problem is goops will still scaremonger wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #20

The object remains, to win. And of course that means both houses of Congress... brush Nov 2020 #26

Our side didn't even bother to push back against Bettie Nov 2020 #34

Cook Political Map shows a nearly universal swing to Dems in 2020 Cha Nov 2020 #68

IF that's the case why are people Bettie Nov 2020 #82

You are wrong, and the idea that a person in Georgia could run the same way as a Democrat Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #40

Clyburn is correct. And it did Budi Nov 2020 #47

Clyburn is always right! Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #75

I saw first hand that these attacks worked Gothmog Nov 2020 #99

I'm not blaming anyone. Every district and state has it'w own particular challenges. Kaleva Nov 2020 #7

I posted this article yesterday, and it sank like a stone. Call it criminal justice reform. Rethugs SaintLouisBlues Nov 2020 #8

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #10

And THIS is helping "come together?" Budi Nov 2020 #13

Moderates Won us the Democratic House Cha Nov 2020 #33

Thank you Cha. Budi Nov 2020 #48

We need some serious change on the ground wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #35

Student Loan forgiveness is Not socialism Budi Nov 2020 #50

I'm guessing you're white. intheflow Nov 2020 #95

Your post is way the fk out of line. Budi Nov 2020 #98

LOL betsuni Nov 2020 #104

You do understand that our current losses in the house put us at risk for losing the House in 22? Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #43

We Didn't Push Back Aepps22 Nov 2020 #11

The trick is you don't respond to each and every smear directly wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #24

+1 MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #89

Who's blaming who here? Budi Nov 2020 #12

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #27

Who kept their seats? And what sort of district were they in? Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #44

Districts as Blue as the big blue sky! Budi Nov 2020 #53

Of course such districts could win on MFA. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #57

So don't blame the squad but do blame moderates qazplm135 Nov 2020 #14

Yup. But only the "squishy" ones Budi Nov 2020 #25

+++ sheshe2 Nov 2020 #84

Socilaism, MFA and Defund the Police cost Democrats races that we should have won Gothmog Nov 2020 #18

They've become an unpopular wedge to grab those close seats from Dems who had hard fights to win. Budi Nov 2020 #29

This really isn't complicated wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #31

MFA is popular with most voters. The other two are not. brush Nov 2020 #39

MFA is not popular nor is it attainable. The ACA is popular and can be used to increase coverage... Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #63

I don't advocate for MFA but according to polls it's popular. brush Nov 2020 #69

The trouble is the number of folks who approve of it goes down when they are told Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #73

How do you pay for this program in the real world? Gothmog Nov 2020 #76

Good point. Most in favor of it are in favor of the concept... brush Nov 2020 #81

The GOP super pac ad focused on costs and how to pay for MFA Gothmog Nov 2020 #100

🙄 Budi Nov 2020 #41

Biden ran on Strengthening ACA & WON Cha Nov 2020 #80

+1000 sheshe2 Nov 2020 #85

+1000. ehrnst Nov 2020 #115

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. lapucelle Nov 2020 #93

Preserving and fixing the ACA won us the midterms. ehrnst Nov 2020 #111

And if one seeks out more reliable data than a single poll mentioned in a meme ehrnst Nov 2020 #113

Exactly, and what's not to say that Katie Porter wasn't R B Garr Nov 2020 #42

spinning the election to mean stopdiggin Nov 2020 #21

THIS budkin Nov 2020 #23

Stand for something and be proud of it DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #28

This wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #38

NO.. NOT "This". Conor Lamb WON by Cha Nov 2020 #60

My point is, he won because he got the votes DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #106

Connor Lamb won in a well runner race Gothmog Nov 2020 #102

For sure, it's good Dems kept the seat DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #107

Yes, Congratulations to Conor Lamb D Cha Nov 2020 #109

Conor Lamb WON.. you don't need to be Insulting Cha Nov 2020 #59

Sometimes the truth is painful DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #108

Casey is in PA...there are many pro-life people in PA and his Dad was Bob Casey a very Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #66

We lost a large number of races due to these issues Gothmog Nov 2020 #101

Doubtful DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #110

Democrats were running against Trump; Republicans were running against Democratic Progressives Klaralven Nov 2020 #65

Dems were running against what trump Cha Nov 2020 #70

The race was mush more personalized than than Klaralven Nov 2020 #77

This PA 86 year old Grandma was Paying Attention! Cha Nov 2020 #78

Democrats need to learn how to counter R messaging. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #67

They "countered" it somewhere.. Cha Nov 2020 #74

I think the blaming overall has to stop In It to Win It Nov 2020 #71

I agree with this Withywindle Nov 2020 #92

I disagree Gothmog Nov 2020 #103

If Dems keep on 'explaining Defund'/squad, etc., we can well lose in 2022, empedocles Nov 2020 #79

This is the result of making celebrities out of "the squad". I'll be honest, I absolutely believe.. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2020 #88

Politics are local JT45242 Nov 2020 #91

cool story AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #94

Some people create their own reality AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #96

K&R Blue Owl Nov 2020 #97

We don't have to worry about Republicans demonizing "the squad"... jcgoldie Nov 2020 #112

I think everyone uses subjective micro-analyses when objective macro-analyses are more appropriate Blasphemer Nov 2020 #114

Why in the world would anyone blame the squad? Makes no sense. Vivienne235729 Nov 2020 #117

Who, exactly, is doing that? MineralMan Nov 2020 #118

What constitutes a "swing district"? Did they win because they endorsed "Medicare for All" or.... George II Nov 2020 #119

Address it head on scipan Nov 2020 #120