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karynnj

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66. True - and with Romney, foreign policy will be a big advantage for the Democrats
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 11:24 PM
Jan 2012

Kerry and Hagel took a long trip to Afghanistan and Pakistan in 2008 with Biden - where they were forced to land due to snow in the mountains. Supposedly, this was when the three of them designed a plan to try to improve relations with Pakistan that was a key part of the Obama Pakistan policy - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23279522

Other than Kerry, whose positions have often influenced Biden's, there are very few Democrats who got more right than Biden in recent years. The same can not be said of Romney.

For a DU JK discussion of Romney's very, very weak foreign policy knowledge, I gathered some DU2 links. Forgive the fact that all of these relate to times Kerry and Romney have fought on foreign policy - they were selected for the DU Jk group and because I could easily find them on DU2 JK. The oldest article from 2006, speaks of the the war on terror - and even then Kerry was speaking - as Biden did in 2007 - about Pakistan.

Here is what I wrote there:
Here is a Boston Globe article on Kerry and Romney sparring on terrorism in 2006. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=273&topic_id=98771

The BG article in the OP is interesting and now that 5 years have passed, it is clear Kerry could not have been more on target - and David Wade was right in saying, "Mitt Romney's command of national security is about as real as the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" (If you read down the thread, there are other links and some excellent anti-Romney facts from the MA people here.

In 2006, the Boston Herald went after Romney for leaving MA in the midst of devastating floods to go to Iraq and Afghanistan to get foreign policy creds - pointing out that it won't work -
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So there’s no way Gov. Mitt Romney isn’t going to take advantage of his last year in office to engage in this utterly shameless exercise - made all the more amusing by the attendant spin. The governor’s visit to the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba a month ago was supposed to be a chance to update officials there on Massachusetts’ “best practices” in its prisons.

His current trip to Iraq and Afghanistan is “about seeing our men and women from Massachusetts” serving there, he said. Although he’ll also be stopping in Pakistan and getting some face time with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. All so at some appropriate moment he can say, “As I was saying to Hamid Karzai last time I was in Kabul. . .”

Of course, Sen. John Kerry could so one-up him on that score. In brief remarks last Friday to the New England Council, Kerry dropped enough names of foreign leaders to fill several rows of the U.N. General Assembly, including that of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and Karzai (who was the star attraction at a Georgetown dinner party thrown by John and Teresa).

Although it is disappeared from the Boston Herald site - not even showing up as archived - it is saved in TAYTAY's post. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=273&topic_id=88188&mesg_id=88266

Romney is smarter than Perry and Santorum, but he has very very little knowledge on foreign policy.

Kerry in 2010 also completely demolished Romney's stupid oped against START. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/blogs/the_angle/2010/12/new_start_debat.html?comments=all#readerComm ( from the comments, the BG buried this response - not including it in the published newspaper and not front paging it on line.)

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Give it a rest. If it happens, it happens. nt gateley Jan 2012 #1
Nuts. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #2
Do you have a link? SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #3
(Sorry I forgot! Thanks for the reminder. /nt) downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #5
no problem :) SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #7
The position has been filled already. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #4
Look, people can disagree on the use of the switch, BUT -- downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #8
Batshit Crazy MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #10
No one has polled the difference in the ticket karynnj Jan 2012 #28
Hillary has high poll numbers because she is not in the White House and isn't in a political Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #61
I bet my old tights this will never come to pass. Bruce Wayne Jan 2012 #6
Will it ever end?? How many times does she have to say "NO"? MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #9
Will it ever end? How many times do we have to say NO to DLC sHillary? N/t antigop Jan 2012 #11
Yep, because Obama is such a progressive......... Beacool Jan 2012 #14
I didn't post about Obama. I only posted about DCL sHillary. No one said Obama is a progressive. antigop Jan 2012 #15
Maybe you don't think so, but others do. n/t Beacool Jan 2012 #17
This isn't about Obama. It's about DLC sHillary. Nice try. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #40
LOL, the only people that think Obama is progressive are conservatives, both republicons rhett o rick Jan 2012 #73
He sure made more progress in the area of Universal Health than anyone else in the past 70 years MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #80
Petty namecalling completely out of proportion to the discussion. aquart Jan 2012 #57
Nope. Just telling it like it is. Sorry if the truth hurts. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #58
Probably the only way Obama loses is if he picks up Hillary as VP. Romulox Jan 2012 #12
Your assessment is so wrong that it's actually funny. Beacool Jan 2012 #13
Too bad people don't understand the DLC and DLC sHillary's role. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #16
For starters, how about using her proper name? Beacool Jan 2012 #19
for all the Obama bashing here, good question! Whisp Jan 2012 #23
For starters, how about admitting DLC sHillary's role in the DLC? n/t antigop Jan 2012 #41
For all that alleged popularity, she couldn't win the nod in '08 though. Romulox Jan 2012 #18
You mean the election where the super delegates decided the nominee? Beacool Jan 2012 #21
If those Super Delegates hadn't chosen Hillary's husband, we would've never heard of her. Romulox Jan 2012 #33
Not so. Beacool Jan 2012 #46
woo woo AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #39
Just like Madelaine Albright was more popular than President Clinton? karynnj Jan 2012 #30
You always equate Hillary's popularity with that of other SOS. Beacool Jan 2012 #32
It is a valid analogy - She is the SoS and is doing that job karynnj Jan 2012 #43
And when they put Obama and Hillary against the Republican candidates recently, Beacool Jan 2012 #47
Hillary has missed all the filing deadlines and will not be the nominee karynnj Jan 2012 #50
Of course she is not going to be the nominee. Beacool Jan 2012 #52
Gallup has HClinton and Obama TIED for most admired. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #35
Not really tied - they are in different categories - male and female karynnj Jan 2012 #42
That they scored the same was my point AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #45
I agree karynnj Jan 2012 #48
They are tied, they each received 17% of the votes. Beacool Jan 2012 #53
So, if I have two polls asking your favorite vegetable and favorite ice cream flavor karynnj Jan 2012 #54
I wasn't referring to the most admired Gallup poll. Beacool Jan 2012 #49
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+1000 n/t antigop Jan 2012 #59
As always, 2 points conveniently ignored Proud Public Servant Jan 2012 #25
I agree in general - and for the Obama/Hillary case karynnj Jan 2012 #31
Not to mention, Biden was right about Pakistan. Not to diss Obama and Hillary, but with all due Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #63
True - and with Romney, foreign policy will be a big advantage for the Democrats karynnj Jan 2012 #66
At least you make sensible points, as opposed to others who respond to the idea downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #62
or lose a point or two ... AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #70
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But it's not going to happen because Obama doesn't need HRC to win WI_DEM Jan 2012 #34
Biden: "I tell you what, there's a real trust, that's why he's asked me to run again." AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #36
Not Happening. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #37
If I wanted to get public support, Bill Keller is on the list as one of the last people EFerrari Jan 2012 #38
+10000 karynnj Jan 2012 #67
I remember that reporter. She's an idiot. EFerrari Jan 2012 #71
Obama-Biden 2012 DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #44
A better question would be why would Hillary want to be VP? Beacool Jan 2012 #51
I would add to your last point, that most people for whom the VP job helped karynnj Jan 2012 #68
I agree. I also believe that she has the trust of the President and has wide latitude to conduct grantcart Jan 2012 #72
A 3rd Way 2fer. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #56
I think the responses to this thread opposed to the idea are enlightening -- downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #64
Never gonna happen Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #65
Alex Pareene dismantles Keller's dream: MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #69
"The president assigns Biden — the former chairman of Senate Foreign Relations — to add State" Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #74
This is the Pro-Obama bumper sticker he needs for starters... found it on-line Thinker Thunk It Jan 2012 #75
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