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meadowlander

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121. It's his usual schtick and I think it's too easy.

Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:12 AM

Nov 2020

The problem isn't that Democrats are too easy to pin with cancel culture and defund the police. The problem is too many Republicans think those shiny object identity-politics "issues" are more important than kids in cages, the looming climate catastrophe, putting on a damn mask and doing something about income inequality.

The solution isn't "never say anything that Republicans can twist into more culture war bullshit." They've created an entire industry of propagandists out there trying to convince "average people" that "liberals hate America and want to steal Christmas and burn the flag all day".

It doesn't matter what liberals say and do. It's that 40% of the country has completely lost all sense of perspective because cherry picking absurd examples of liberal snow-flakism makes money. Not unlike what Bill Maher is doing in this rant btw.

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Bill Maher absolutely says why 72 million voted for Trump........... [View all] MRDAWG Nov 2020 OP

. Squinch Nov 2020 #1

I saw it, and he's wrong. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #2

Their support of Trump is perfectly rational, from their perspective Spider Jerusalem Nov 2020 #9

Undoubtedly some, but many are just left behind and only one party OnDoutside Nov 2020 #36

Thanks. Not getting into this debate (right now, anyway,) elleng Nov 2020 #58

Nah, it's the racism, not "economic anxiety" Spider Jerusalem Nov 2020 #82

If I understand you, I agree. It's not a good idea to describe everyone in a group the same way. n LAS14 Nov 2020 #113

Got it. elleng Nov 2020 #115

I have boiled it down to this; one group believes dems will take their guns yankeepants Nov 2020 #52

I think the one big thing we can do to over come it is to court the youth vote Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #25

The problem with this is ,though, that quite often the youth doesn't vote. octoberlib Nov 2020 #39

Easy to understand: no_hypocrisy Nov 2020 #3

This. They don't care if they burn it down, as long as they are on top Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #16

could you tell us what he said? Skittles Nov 2020 #4

Video: Dr. Strange Nov 2020 #15

Amen! More common sense from Bill Maher than I hear from half the Democrats I know. Binkie The Clown Nov 2020 #48

I agree completely oswaldactedalone Nov 2020 #53

Is there a Democratic website that is more in line with our thinking? I find here doc03 Nov 2020 #68

I just hope it doesn't take more losses marlakay Nov 2020 #123

The Dems made net gains in the Senate muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #127

So you say the Democratic party doesn't have any common sense in it? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #71

The poster's sister didn't come up with a term like "defund the police", or Blue_true Nov 2020 #90

Anyone who voted for Trump is clearly fine with street protests muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #93

Why counter protest a gathering of whiny losers? That is my point. Blue_true Nov 2020 #97

Right, so it was a waste of time. Nothing to do with how people vote. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #99

The violence that took place with our people there influences voters. Blue_true Nov 2020 #102

If there were no counter-protesters, the message would be "everyone agrees with Trump" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #104

No, the message would be whiny people making a spectacle of themselves. nt Blue_true Nov 2020 #105

Been said forever that Dems/Libs look inside for root causes, wingnuts look outside blaming others. UTUSN Nov 2020 #107

I somewhat agree with his point, but disagree that Dems didn't win bigger entirely BECAUSE of that. coti Nov 2020 #89

Screw Bill Maher Ridin4Biden Nov 2020 #5

The truth will set you free. But first it will really piss you off. Binkie The Clown Nov 2020 #10

He's a wanker. And has an overinflated sense of his own importance. GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #20

I find myself agreeing with him quite often. What does that make me? nt Binkie The Clown Nov 2020 #26

You get to choose. GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #31

Lol wcast Nov 2020 #81

Yes..typical armchair politician. Lots of stories...NO ideas or solutions Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #27

I see we've already found a topic for the post-Trump DU to shout and scream about. nt Binkie The Clown Nov 2020 #33

Lol, thanks for your informative post! USALiberal Nov 2020 #76

Maher is right. His argument is 'common sense'. 'Defund the police' defies common sense. empedocles Nov 2020 #6

"Defund the police" alone did not motivate Trump voters. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #8

64% oppose the Defund movement. That's the middle that largely determine winners. empedocles Nov 2020 #19

Show me the Democrat or Democratic platform that called for Defunding the Police. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #21

Platform? That's a real vote bloc mover. Lot of politics is about who doesn't like who. empedocles Nov 2020 #30

Exactly...the pukes pushed that..not us. uneducated voters that would not have voted dem anyway Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #32

Maher, and many others, have made the point of dismissing 48% of voters - and empedocles Nov 2020 #45

How about this ? OnDoutside Nov 2020 #43

Specifically, she wanted a decrease in the NYC police budget from $6bn to $5bn muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #75

If you are only a headline reader, all you would then see is Dems OnDoutside Nov 2020 #83

Which would mean Maher and the DUers who agree with him are wrong. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #91

I think the widespread reaction to the George Floyd murder shows OnDoutside Nov 2020 #124

Paul Krugman has interesting comments of this sort of thing OnDoutside Nov 2020 #135

There were more Q republicans who won seats wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #47

It doesn't matter that we de-emphasized it and refined its meaning to something sensible. gulliver Nov 2020 #106

Cori Bush called for it Polybius Nov 2020 #147

It likely kept some of the people who didn't vote on the sidelines. Blue_true Nov 2020 #94

It wasn't the Dems pushing it. It was an unfortunate statement, the right grabbed hold of that Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #13

Some Dems did push it. EllieBC Nov 2020 #17

AOC on video, was all over fox, etc. empedocles Nov 2020 #24

Yes, it doesn't need to be part of a platform for the RW to weaponize it. OnDoutside Nov 2020 #50

There are mixed motive involved. Hard to believe any of the Defund people empedocles Nov 2020 #56

It's largely that they don't care if it fucks the Democratic Party, all the better if it does. This OnDoutside Nov 2020 #65

Please define common sense. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #40

Repukes need a group or principles to project hatred onto SheltieLover Nov 2020 #7

I watched.. Typical Maher...not impressed. Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #11

Maher isn't for Pepsi either occupant Nov 2020 #12

He is sooooo right!! It's hard to face the truth demosincebirth Nov 2020 #14

Name one democrat who has said Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #28

You picked one that eight billion people agree with. demosincebirth Nov 2020 #49

Not an answer Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #57

Ok, I have heard that said, but I don't know who said it...eom demosincebirth Nov 2020 #63

Yes it's been said by republicans Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #64

It was not a elected Democratic party member, it was some Celerity Nov 2020 #125

Totally agree. That New Rules segment was hard to hear beaglelover Nov 2020 #18

What democrats have said Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #29

Thinking that every election loss is always our fault or something we said or didn't say leads to... Yavin4 Nov 2020 #34

THIS. And then when we win it's the same damn criticism. "Oh noes! Dems almost lost!" ancianita Nov 2020 #41

Fuck Bill Maher. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #22

+1 KT2000 Nov 2020 #51

Seconded. He's so full of himself Ishoutandscream2 Nov 2020 #69

This is the only acceptable answer. MrsCoffee Nov 2020 #114

It was filled with right wing talking points Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #23

Is it this part? mahina Nov 2020 #35

Bill Maher and Joe Rogan veer into Alex Jones' lane.. LessAspin Nov 2020 #37

That will piss off many but in this case he is totally doc03 Nov 2020 #38

I don't think he's right entirely. I thought it assumed that we're the party of every single In It to Win It Nov 2020 #60

Totally right? Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #77

When Maher has ppl the likes of Steve bannon on and gives him a platform to spout lies Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #42

I saw it. I thought it ignored other factors. In It to Win It Nov 2020 #44

In typical Maher fashion, he goes a little overboard, but the totality of his point is correct. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #46

You are correct. "It's hard to crack a hard skull." demosincebirth Nov 2020 #59

Bill is right on this. Music Man Nov 2020 #54

Damn good post MM. dhill926 Nov 2020 #67

What democrats defended looting? Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #74

I'm not talking about mainstream Democratic politicians, necessarily. Music Man Nov 2020 #80

But Maher was talking about the Democratic Party Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #95

X1000 BlueIdaho Nov 2020 #112

For me, it wasn't defending looting, but observing that white people seem to care more about shrike3 Nov 2020 #116

One thing that Maher consistently does is conflate, the culture war narrative. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #55

Some people here like to say this and that about Maher. We could all do that. empedocles Nov 2020 #62

I won't pretend to know what all Democrats have said or not said on the 'Defund' issue In It to Win It Nov 2020 #70

That was one part of his argument. Which you obviously agree with since you keep harping on it. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #88

He is right edhopper Nov 2020 #61

my brother is a republicam. he hates trump, but voted for him, because RRRRRRR. BUT! pansypoo53219 Nov 2020 #66

The woke stuff and cancel culture isn't the whole story, but it's part of it Azathoth Nov 2020 #72

When you see the Hegelian dialectic being dispensed of on college campuses misanthrope Nov 2020 #120

Bill Maher is right.... quickesst Nov 2020 #73

It's nuts how so many here are incapable of hearing criticism at all ansible Nov 2020 #86

you are correct of course quickesst Nov 2020 #118

It's not valid criticism though qdouble Nov 2020 #133

That's the same stuff he's been selling Blecht Nov 2020 #78

Maher loves parroting right wing talking points Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #79

73 MIllion + right now andym Nov 2020 #84

Maher was right on a couple of points. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2020 #103

I wouldn't describe it as misguided JI7 Nov 2020 #130

Maher likes to attack Democrats moondust Nov 2020 #85

He also likes right wing talking points Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #96

I always overestimate the intelligence of electorate and always wind up disappointed MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #87

He's mostly right BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #92

And the Republicans have QAnon supporting *representatives* muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #98

No that is the point Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #101

actually it is the point BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #108

But Maher didn't make that distinction Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #122

It's the logic of an abuser qdouble Nov 2020 #134

Utterly nonsensical. BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #146

Maher, and others, forget that there has been a demonization of Democrats since I was young shrike3 Nov 2020 #117

To take one example the hockey player he mentioned dsc Nov 2020 #100

It doesn't appear he was ordered to apologize Azathoth Nov 2020 #119

so under your logic if he had killed the kid, raped the kid, dsc Nov 2020 #136

May I ask you a question? Yavin4 Nov 2020 #145

Democrats need to remember that they are both a ruling party and an opposition party Klaralven Nov 2020 #109

The "strategy vs morality" argument will always be there. One is pointless w/o the other. lindysalsagal Nov 2020 #110

If Maher isn't making millions off splitting up Democrats, he ought to be. Paladin Nov 2020 #111

He donated 3 million dollars to get Democrats elected, Obama's reelection campaign and 2018 betsuni Nov 2020 #129

He's done 10 times that, in damage to our party. Paladin Nov 2020 #137

It's his usual schtick and I think it's too easy. meadowlander Nov 2020 #121

I would say focus more on economic issues that can help Jspur Nov 2020 #126

No , everything that has happened in the last few years and even for last decades shows this isn't JI7 Nov 2020 #131

Yes, not about policy. betsuni Nov 2020 #132

Good news, everyone! Scott Atlas has told the people to "rise up", so the Republicans have lost. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #128

Exactly. Republicans can get away with the craziest bullshit and never have to pay a price Yavin4 Nov 2020 #141

Bill is absolutely correct AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #138

What bit of "common sense" are you thinking of? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #144

I agree with Bill on this Johnny2X2X Nov 2020 #139

Do you really think if that were to happen that Democrats would win the White working class? Yavin4 Nov 2020 #140

Yes, Dems should be winning white working class voters every election Johnny2X2X Nov 2020 #142

This is where you and Maher are dead wrong. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #143