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dware

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22. You are not going to get the smaller states to agree to this,

Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:14 PM

Nov 2020

no matter what the bigger states do, and I would be opposed to using blackmail, which it would be, to force them to give up their power, now if you want to call that undemocratic, then so be it.

Hell, it wouldn't even make it out of the Congress, you'll never get 2/3rds of the Congress to agree to such an amendment, much less 3/4th's of the states to ratify such a change.

You would have better luck with this.

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

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Does it really though? Salviati Nov 2020 #1

What is important is ..The small states think this...That is the key. Stuart G Nov 2020 #2

Right. It favors *republicans* because they are spread across more states unblock Nov 2020 #9

That article is silly. So, according to its author the small states don't have undue influence Goodheart Nov 2020 #16

That's why we need the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact servermsh Nov 2020 #3

Question....How does one get that??.." National Popular Vote Interstate Compact." Stuart G Nov 2020 #5

Tricky but might work droidamus2 Nov 2020 #8

There's no guarantee it even holds up constitutionally Polybius Nov 2020 #34

Possible but... droidamus2 Nov 2020 #59

That part, probably Polybius Nov 2020 #75

Yeah, I think it would be overturned The Revolution Nov 2020 #77

I might even vote to overturn it if I were a Justice Polybius Nov 2020 #79

the 6-3 RW SCOTUS will slap it down as violating the Compact Clause, plus Red states Celerity Nov 2020 #78

A liberal or two might even join them Polybius Nov 2020 #80

As long as we keep our two Senators hack89 Nov 2020 #4

Because that's fair Yeehah Nov 2020 #14

+1 Why does a small-state resident deserve 40x as much representation? lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #25

It doesn't, dware Nov 2020 #27

I agree with that - but I always know that the Senate and EC were created to protect slave states. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #29

Agreed. nt dware Nov 2020 #31

No. It was to protect small states hack89 Nov 2020 #38

Thank you, Hack. ChazII Nov 2020 #43

From an Arizonan, dware Nov 2020 #45

I wouldn't worry about Arizona JonLP24 Nov 2020 #54

There is a big difference between now and then JonLP24 Nov 2020 #46

More people voted for Democrats for Senate than Republicans JonLP24 Nov 2020 #49

There is a way to change things hack89 Nov 2020 #56

Yes on the EC. The Senate was not created for that. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #69

In Britain and the US, the concept is morally flawed. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #70

Federalism is morally flawed? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #71

Federalism is not flawless. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #72

Of course it's not. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #73

States will still have relevance, even if the power imbalance is corrected. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #74

I certainly believe in democracy hack89 Nov 2020 #33

I'm not fine with it, I just accept defeat that it's never gonna change Polybius Nov 2020 #36

It's not going to change. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #40

Sure it's going to change. Yeehah Nov 2020 #57

RI gets traction in DC, so do ND, SD, WY, MT, and other low population states. Quemado Nov 2020 #30

Good luck with that hack89 Nov 2020 #32

Yeah, I know it's not going to happen. Quemado Nov 2020 #47

Yes, 13 states can block any amendment. nt dware Nov 2020 #51

Ok, dware Nov 2020 #35

It's not possible. Quemado Nov 2020 #50

Maybe in a generation or 2, dware Nov 2020 #53

There should be a campaign begun to eliminate the electoral college Yeehah Nov 2020 #6

I don't think small populated states will ever approve such an amendment. Stuart G Nov 2020 #7

The focus always red states jimfields33 Nov 2020 #10

I'm from Minnesota with a smaller population than the average state, and I believe progree Nov 2020 #24

Minnesota has an AVERAGE number of representatives. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #52

IOW you would like the bigger states to strongarm the smaller states dware Nov 2020 #11

No, I'd like the bigger states to strong-arm the smaller states, Yeehah Nov 2020 #19

You are not going to get the smaller states to agree to this, dware Nov 2020 #22

It won't even get to the states Polybius Nov 2020 #37

It's never going to happen. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #42

NPVIC Statistical Nov 2020 #12

They don't. Even the House is disproportional treestar Nov 2020 #62

Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota and South Dakota LakeVermilion Nov 2020 #13

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Article Four of the Constitution Dr. Strange Nov 2020 #65

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Thank you wryter2000 Nov 2020 #18

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...and then consider who draws the lines for the congressional districts In It to Win It Nov 2020 #28

Yes and that maybe would not need the Amendment treestar Nov 2020 #64

Eventually this disparity will break up the country. roamer65 Nov 2020 #21

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The only way for Republicans to get rid of the EC is to make it impossible for them to win with it In It to Win It Nov 2020 #26

It almost happened in 2004 Polybius Nov 2020 #39

Sure, but the losses have to happen continuously. In It to Win It Nov 2020 #44

Righties always rag on how treestar Nov 2020 #63

I've always thought that theory was bullshit In It to Win It Nov 2020 #66

If we can't get an amendment passed Bettie Nov 2020 #48

Won't happen 'cause the folks who want it gone make no effort to get rid of it. Kaleva Nov 2020 #55

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Exactly. apnu Nov 2020 #68

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Repeal Reapportionment Act of 1929 The Revolution Nov 2020 #76