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24. I'm from Minnesota with a smaller population than the average state, and I believe

Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:17 PM

Nov 2020

in getting rid of the EC and the gerrymandered Senate though that would supposedly hurt me (in the Senate 16% of the population has half the senators, and I'm one of those 16 percenters).

But no, I feel that I would benefit more from living in a DEMOCRACY where every vote counts the same than I would where my fucking little state has more clout. But that's because I'm a progressive. Just like I think Black Lives Matter even though I'm white. Just like I believe in a more progressive tax system even though I'm rich by most standards.

I'll never understand how some people can be more concerned about a state's representation than about people's representation. What again are all the good reasons why some people's votes shouldn't count as much as others? Because they live in a state where people want to live?

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About Getting Rid Of The "ELECTORAL COLLEGE"....iT WON'T HAPPEN, BECAUSE IT FAVORS SMALL [View all] Stuart G Nov 2020 OP

Does it really though? Salviati Nov 2020 #1

What is important is ..The small states think this...That is the key. Stuart G Nov 2020 #2

Right. It favors *republicans* because they are spread across more states unblock Nov 2020 #9

That article is silly. So, according to its author the small states don't have undue influence Goodheart Nov 2020 #16

That's why we need the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact servermsh Nov 2020 #3

Question....How does one get that??.." National Popular Vote Interstate Compact." Stuart G Nov 2020 #5

Tricky but might work droidamus2 Nov 2020 #8

There's no guarantee it even holds up constitutionally Polybius Nov 2020 #34

Possible but... droidamus2 Nov 2020 #59

That part, probably Polybius Nov 2020 #75

Yeah, I think it would be overturned The Revolution Nov 2020 #77

I might even vote to overturn it if I were a Justice Polybius Nov 2020 #79

the 6-3 RW SCOTUS will slap it down as violating the Compact Clause, plus Red states Celerity Nov 2020 #78

A liberal or two might even join them Polybius Nov 2020 #80

As long as we keep our two Senators hack89 Nov 2020 #4

Because that's fair Yeehah Nov 2020 #14

+1 Why does a small-state resident deserve 40x as much representation? lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #25

It doesn't, dware Nov 2020 #27

I agree with that - but I always know that the Senate and EC were created to protect slave states. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #29

Agreed. nt dware Nov 2020 #31

No. It was to protect small states hack89 Nov 2020 #38

Thank you, Hack. ChazII Nov 2020 #43

From an Arizonan, dware Nov 2020 #45

I wouldn't worry about Arizona JonLP24 Nov 2020 #54

There is a big difference between now and then JonLP24 Nov 2020 #46

More people voted for Democrats for Senate than Republicans JonLP24 Nov 2020 #49

There is a way to change things hack89 Nov 2020 #56

Yes on the EC. The Senate was not created for that. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #69

In Britain and the US, the concept is morally flawed. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #70

Federalism is morally flawed? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #71

Federalism is not flawless. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #72

Of course it's not. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #73

States will still have relevance, even if the power imbalance is corrected. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #74

I certainly believe in democracy hack89 Nov 2020 #33

I'm not fine with it, I just accept defeat that it's never gonna change Polybius Nov 2020 #36

It's not going to change. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #40

Sure it's going to change. Yeehah Nov 2020 #57

RI gets traction in DC, so do ND, SD, WY, MT, and other low population states. Quemado Nov 2020 #30

Good luck with that hack89 Nov 2020 #32

Yeah, I know it's not going to happen. Quemado Nov 2020 #47

Yes, 13 states can block any amendment. nt dware Nov 2020 #51

Ok, dware Nov 2020 #35

It's not possible. Quemado Nov 2020 #50

Maybe in a generation or 2, dware Nov 2020 #53

There should be a campaign begun to eliminate the electoral college Yeehah Nov 2020 #6

I don't think small populated states will ever approve such an amendment. Stuart G Nov 2020 #7

The focus always red states jimfields33 Nov 2020 #10

I'm from Minnesota with a smaller population than the average state, and I believe progree Nov 2020 #24

Minnesota has an AVERAGE number of representatives. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #52

IOW you would like the bigger states to strongarm the smaller states dware Nov 2020 #11

No, I'd like the bigger states to strong-arm the smaller states, Yeehah Nov 2020 #19

You are not going to get the smaller states to agree to this, dware Nov 2020 #22

It won't even get to the states Polybius Nov 2020 #37

It's never going to happen. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #42

NPVIC Statistical Nov 2020 #12

They don't. Even the House is disproportional treestar Nov 2020 #62

Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota and South Dakota LakeVermilion Nov 2020 #13

While states have broken up, no states have ever combined Polybius Nov 2020 #41

Article Four of the Constitution Dr. Strange Nov 2020 #65

I'm from a smaller than average state, but I'm for getting rid of the electoral progree Nov 2020 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Nov 2020 #17

Thank you wryter2000 Nov 2020 #18

Can we at least get rid of "winner take all"? Alex4Martinez Nov 2020 #20

...and then consider who draws the lines for the congressional districts In It to Win It Nov 2020 #28

Yes and that maybe would not need the Amendment treestar Nov 2020 #64

Eventually this disparity will break up the country. roamer65 Nov 2020 #21

right wingerz will never go for it backroadblast Nov 2020 #23

The only way for Republicans to get rid of the EC is to make it impossible for them to win with it In It to Win It Nov 2020 #26

It almost happened in 2004 Polybius Nov 2020 #39

Sure, but the losses have to happen continuously. In It to Win It Nov 2020 #44

Righties always rag on how treestar Nov 2020 #63

I've always thought that theory was bullshit In It to Win It Nov 2020 #66

If we can't get an amendment passed Bettie Nov 2020 #48

Won't happen 'cause the folks who want it gone make no effort to get rid of it. Kaleva Nov 2020 #55

There is a somewhat similar situation in the EU Steelrolled Nov 2020 #58

If Texas ever flips blue, the GOP will caterwaul for ending the EC. apnu Nov 2020 #60

When Texas turns, Republicans will have trouble with moonscape Nov 2020 #67

Exactly. apnu Nov 2020 #68

Delaware would; it approved the compact treestar Nov 2020 #61

Repeal Reapportionment Act of 1929 The Revolution Nov 2020 #76