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Showing Original Post only (View all)Anyone else looking at the Modera and Pfizer Vaccine pressers? They're not very controlled at all [View all]
Last edited Mon Nov 16, 2020, 05:53 PM - Edit history (1)
... and claiming efficacy based on what did not happen to an uncontrolled group doesn't give me confidence.
That's like saying a person doesn't get bit by pink gators cause they're republican, sending them out in public and then no pink gators bite them and claim voting republican is 100% effective against pink gators.
Any one else see any specific data in the pressers to show there was a controlled process for infections vs random?
thx in advance
EDIT: There are greater controlled infection studies called Human Challenges here - LINK that allow for a group of people to be infected voluntarily.
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Anyone else looking at the Modera and Pfizer Vaccine pressers? They're not very controlled at all [View all]
uponit7771
Nov 2020
OP
Yes they can, give my family 5 million if I die or get disabled & free education I'll think about
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#6
No, they're doing human challenge studies here and in Europe. 14,000 already signed up here (link)
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#39
I remember this story about the doctor who let a mosquito bite him & got Yellow Fever and died
liberal_mama
Nov 2020
#33
The person speaking about Moderna on CNN claimed there was no controlled infection process ...
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#3
+1, I think the number in the US is up to 14,000 already. Give them extra if they live or not
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#36
"both placebo group and the non placebo group both got sick but they got sick at different levels"
Orangepeel
Nov 2020
#15
"Usually, they will try to statistically control for other factors" True, I'm thinking they would've
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#40
What you call a "controlled infection process" is very rare, and not what "control" means in tests
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2020
#22
Correct, but there are 14,000 volunteers so far for human challenge. Seems like this vaccine would
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#37
+1, "engaged in equally risky behavior." after hearing the women on CNN my jaw dropped cause the
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#5
I'm listening to the Moderna doctor and I can't believe what I'm hearing !! He's basically saying
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#11
We'd have to assume the risk behavior etc etc among the two groups are equal enough ...
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#28
Absolutely, that's way the hell too narrow for medical vaccine. OMG, thats prelim data for further
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#29
That would assume the risk behavior etc among the groups is wide enough. I can see how this is ...
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#41
The pressers don't show delta's between the two groups that are socio economic etc
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#17
Do you believe they should intentionally infect people with a deadly disease instead?
Statistical
Nov 2020
#10
Only if the people volunteered like have been done in human challenge studies (link inside)
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#32
All the experts I respect are waiting on peer reviewed data which we don't have, just a presser
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#21
Hmmm, true but wouldn't that push both groups to go into higher NPI levels? Vaccine or not
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#34
Right, I think my issue is the filing for EUA based off the 95 people so far but if it was 500 to
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#43