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11. I'm listening to the Moderna doctor and I can't believe what I'm hearing !! He's basically saying

Mon Nov 16, 2020, 05:01 PM

Nov 2020

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... 95 people got the virus but only 5 were from the vaccine group.

WTF !?!!

That doesn't mean shit unless the 30,000 were so wide swathed socio economically etc for instance for that not to be factor.

EDIT: Looks like this is prelim data, they're going to come out with a lot more to be peer reviewed before requesting an EUA, just wish they would expose the risk analysis etc etc data in the presser .... I don't see it.

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Anyone else looking at the Modera and Pfizer Vaccine pressers? They're not very controlled at all [View all] uponit7771 Nov 2020 OP

There's no other way to do human studies for Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #1

Yes they can, give my family 5 million if I die or get disabled & free education I'll think about uponit7771 Nov 2020 #6

No, they can't. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #13

Not if they volunteer, 14,000 for human challenge (link inside) uponit7771 Nov 2020 #38

No ethical doctor would deliberately infect Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #14

No, they're doing human challenge studies here and in Europe. 14,000 already signed up here (link) uponit7771 Nov 2020 #39

No, they aren't. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #48

I remember this story about the doctor who let a mosquito bite him & got Yellow Fever and died liberal_mama Nov 2020 #33

Yes, they were well-controlled. MineralMan Nov 2020 #2

The person speaking about Moderna on CNN claimed there was no controlled infection process ... uponit7771 Nov 2020 #3

No study can challenge subjects by deliberately exposing them to the virus. MineralMan Nov 2020 #7

They are about to do a human challenge trial in the UK ... rog Nov 2020 #31

+1, I think the number in the US is up to 14,000 already. Give them extra if they live or not uponit7771 Nov 2020 #36

Yes they can if the people volunteered link inside uponit7771 Nov 2020 #35

That was a really good article ... rog Nov 2020 #46

"both placebo group and the non placebo group both got sick but they got sick at different levels" Orangepeel Nov 2020 #15

"Usually, they will try to statistically control for other factors" True, I'm thinking they would've uponit7771 Nov 2020 #40

What you call a "controlled infection process" is very rare, and not what "control" means in tests muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #22

Correct, but there are 14,000 volunteers so far for human challenge. Seems like this vaccine would uponit7771 Nov 2020 #37

This - the normal kind of test - achieves different things muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #45

Agreed -- risk analysis or anything to strengthen claims would be nice JT45242 Nov 2020 #4

+1, "engaged in equally risky behavior." after hearing the women on CNN my jaw dropped cause the uponit7771 Nov 2020 #5

+1 Laelth Nov 2020 #8

Dexamethasone, while disagreeable to take due to moonscape Nov 2020 #20

I'm listening to the Moderna doctor and I can't believe what I'm hearing !! He's basically saying uponit7771 Nov 2020 #11

It means vaccine prevented covid in 95 % of people who got the vaccine. LisaL Nov 2020 #18

We'd have to assume the risk behavior etc etc among the two groups are equal enough ... uponit7771 Nov 2020 #28

So, yeah, they were "so wide swathed socio economically" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #24

Absolutely, that's way the hell too narrow for medical vaccine. OMG, thats prelim data for further uponit7771 Nov 2020 #29

It's the number the FDA decided on a long time ago muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #47

It doesn't mean that at all. Disaffected Nov 2020 #30

That would assume the risk behavior etc among the groups is wide enough. I can see how this is ... uponit7771 Nov 2020 #41

People were randomly split into two groups. LisaL Nov 2020 #9

The pressers don't show delta's between the two groups that are socio economic etc uponit7771 Nov 2020 #17

Nobody would do clinical trial like that. LisaL Nov 2020 #19

Do you believe they should intentionally infect people with a deadly disease instead? Statistical Nov 2020 #10

Only if the people volunteered like have been done in human challenge studies (link inside) uponit7771 Nov 2020 #32

Many experts I respect Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #12

+1 lunasun Nov 2020 #16

All the experts I respect are waiting on peer reviewed data which we don't have, just a presser uponit7771 Nov 2020 #21

For how long does one have immunity? I think I read moonscape Nov 2020 #23

I sincerely doubt that. LisaL Nov 2020 #25

You doubt what? Laurie Garrett, author moonscape Nov 2020 #27

The "good" news genxlib Nov 2020 #26

Hmmm, true but wouldn't that push both groups to go into higher NPI levels? Vaccine or not uponit7771 Nov 2020 #34

That is sort of the idea genxlib Nov 2020 #42

Right, I think my issue is the filing for EUA based off the 95 people so far but if it was 500 to uponit7771 Nov 2020 #43

Agreed genxlib Nov 2020 #44

That's a whole other issue with me, we can do what Thailand, Australia, S Korea or a number of other uponit7771 Nov 2020 #50

You are wrong, do more research! nt USALiberal Nov 2020 #49