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cali

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104. you understand nothing.

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 05:24 PM

Oct 2012

you view the world as black and white. It's not. you think it's a zero sum game. It ain't.

I don't vote for NDAA or drones or wall street, sweetums. I try to hold the President accountable for those- and more. At the same time, I'm not about to cede the country to the wingnut repukes. DUH. That should be a no brainer for anyone who's progressive. For the vast majority it is.

As for fucking "truth". That, honey, as anyone with two brain cells to rub together can tell you, is a largely subjective concept. It's not like you have to have a PhD is philosophy to figure that out. Facts are objective- though obviously they can be used subjectively.
"Truth" is subjective. It's an opinion.

I'm not attacking you. I'm attacking the lack of critical thinking you exhibit.

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Julian Assange and Wikileaks Campaign Directly Against Obama! [View all] MineralMan Oct 2012 OP

Is this where you submit to some sort of brain wipe and have all the things they exposed erased? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2012 #1

Wikileaks' "accomplishments" include scuttling the Copenhagen climate summit: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #4

Gee I thought it was right-wing and big business climate change deniers that scuttled the summit. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2012 #9

My link includes video in which Assange takes credit for the Climategate release struggle4progress Oct 2012 #21

No. This is where I introduce some more information MineralMan Oct 2012 #7

Hate the game, not the player Taverner Oct 2012 #2

In this case, the player is the game, MineralMan Oct 2012 #5

Me too, BUT I still have deep admiration Assange and Manning Taverner Oct 2012 #30

What happened brush Oct 2012 #34

Because he's an attention whore leftynyc Oct 2012 #37

I think he's mad at the entire US Government Taverner Oct 2012 #42

what exactly are they doing to 'catch' him?, mostly asking out of curiosity Bodhi BloodWave Oct 2012 #67

Problem is, we don't know much tama Oct 2012 #114

most investigations tho don't tend to be public, usually thats actually a rather bad idea nt Bodhi BloodWave Oct 2012 #123

No. You don't. randome Oct 2012 #69

Manning showed courage and bravery Taverner Oct 2012 #84

Wikileaks is cool (for the most part). So is whistleblowing. randome Oct 2012 #85

No, he didn't. Courage and bravery would have been him using the MWPA of 1988 and forcing msanthrope Oct 2012 #108

He's a libertarian ideologue, and the libertarian ideologues are anti-Obama: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #3

Thanks for the link. MineralMan Oct 2012 #6

Left libertarian tama Oct 2012 #10

ridiculous. Man, I'm tired of this same old lame rhetoric cali Oct 2012 #18

Some on DU thinks Obama is above criticism, as evidenced by some of these responses. Erose999 Oct 2012 #23

What criticism has been offered? randome Oct 2012 #25

What you said is beyond criticism. DevonRex Oct 2012 #135

I understand tama Oct 2012 #31

And what does Assange have to do with any of what you mentioned? randome Oct 2012 #35

BFD tama Oct 2012 #64

Simply responding to a current news item. randome Oct 2012 #71

You are wellcome tama Oct 2012 #77

She doesn't know. She's in Finland ferchrissake. Anti-authoritarians who follow global summits.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #99

Yes tama Oct 2012 #112

I care about Americans voting for our American president. Finland? I could give a shit. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #117

boom! frylock Oct 2012 #61

you understand nothing. cali Oct 2012 #104

"Subjective" and "Objective" is Latin Grammar tama Oct 2012 #110

By supporting Obama without criticism, you are supporting NDAA and drones and Wall St cronies. Erose999 Oct 2012 #136

+1 Johonny Oct 2012 #40

yes, why measure yourself based on policy when you can just label yourself as liberal? frylock Oct 2012 #60

There's really no evidence that Assange has any coherent leftist views. Read his essays and you struggle4progress Oct 2012 #38

As Orwell said tama Oct 2012 #128

Orwell earned a reputation for honesty by not caving to the political pressure of his contempories struggle4progress Oct 2012 #131

If Glen Beck had been the one that had done or said half the things Assange has done or said Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #54

I don't believe in capital punishment tama Oct 2012 #59

and if bush or romney were drone bombing the shit out of the middle east.. frylock Oct 2012 #63

Excuse me. A lot of us are dead set against the drone wars. randome Oct 2012 #73

Actually, no. Drone bombing Tora Bora in November of 2001 by Bush would have saved us a shit-load msanthrope Oct 2012 #121

+1. Can't we just chip in & buy them all an island somewhere? How long b/4 they turn on each other? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #98

If I were in Assange's position (or Manning's, god forbid) I'd be pretty pissed at Obama too. Erose999 Oct 2012 #8

So what. Seriously, just because he's mad at Obama doesn't cali Oct 2012 #12

Maybe he's just drunk-dialing from the consulate trying to stay relevant. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #11

Well he can forget about a presidential pardon julian09 Oct 2012 #13

I doubt he'll ever be tried in a US court, anyway. MineralMan Oct 2012 #14

I think he was already aware of that nt newfie11 Oct 2012 #15

Perhaps Wikileaks would rather see a Republican in charge who would've rushed into BenzoDia Oct 2012 #16

Oh and Rmoney EC Oct 2012 #17

I watched the video and theres no mention of support for another candidate. It seems that they're Erose999 Oct 2012 #19

Your last statement in that post sucks! nt MineralMan Oct 2012 #24

I was under the impression that Obama bashing is an alerting offense. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #51

It is. If nobody has alerted, you can. MineralMan Oct 2012 #52

I prefer to let such diatribes stand. randome Oct 2012 #58

Yeah, I suppose. MineralMan Oct 2012 #83

and 2.5 hours later the post stands.. frylock Oct 2012 #65

So it does. I don't have any loyalty oaths. MineralMan Oct 2012 #79

And they're still at war and there are still drones killing innocent people, and military Erose999 Oct 2012 #102

President Obama is exponentially Better than Cha Oct 2012 #111

And who are you voting for? nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #122

I was under the impression that Obama bashing in that fashion was a banning offense rl6214 Oct 2012 #138

"Fuck Obama" during elections season at DU... SidDithers Oct 2012 #28

Thank goodness for transparency in edits. MineralMan Oct 2012 #33

FUCK ASSANGE, erose. Cha Oct 2012 #97

So who're you voting for? Not Obama after saying fuck him. DevonRex Oct 2012 #132

Show us Romney's tax returns Assange liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #20

Now THAT would set the world free, indeed. A real world example of where the money went. freshwest Oct 2012 #129

Fuck Assange. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #22

It's almost impossible to separate Wikileaks from Assange. MineralMan Oct 2012 #27

I agree with what you say. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #43

Wikileaks is as damaged as he is--read this expose from Al-Jazeera-- msanthrope Oct 2012 #29

Intervene in the 2012 presidential election? msanthrope Oct 2012 #26

bush did it = bad, obama does it = good. ok nt msongs Oct 2012 #32

shhh! We're not allowed to criticize Obama on this site liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #36

Not only are you allowed to criticize him.... NCTraveler Oct 2012 #47

so you agree that bush drones = bad, obama drones = good frylock Oct 2012 #68

No clue what you are talking about.nt. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #80

of course you don't.. frylock Oct 2012 #100

What am I denying? NCTraveler Oct 2012 #134

Bush and Obama did what? Explain, please. randome Oct 2012 #39

IOKIODI? Noooo, not really. tblue Oct 2012 #45

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #55

You do know that you can leave at anytime, right? nt MrScorpio Oct 2012 #62

love it or leave it frylock Oct 2012 #70

And yet you continue to post here... SidDithers Oct 2012 #72

'Cuz there's not a lot of activity over where the nuts used to fill the trees. Smashed acorns.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #105

Wikileaks will be crushed when they hear Union Scribe Oct 2012 #41

No doubt. I am definitely someone to worry about MineralMan Oct 2012 #44

Thanks for the link. I donated $15 for transparency in government. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #46

Tired of holding back on this. Fuck that attention whoring, rapist piece of trash. phleshdef Oct 2012 #48

Julian Assange speaks much truth in that video. But then, again... Zorra Oct 2012 #49

He did not tell anyone not to vote tama Oct 2012 #74

Oh, shush! Assange is an enemy of the state and very naughty..at least he is here. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #86

I've long been a staunch and consistent Assange/Wikileaks supporter, and feel that they do important Zorra Oct 2012 #90

He's attacking the corrupt establishment. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #115

OK, good point. But actually, he did say "Cast the only vote that Zorra Oct 2012 #88

I'm also a realist tama Oct 2012 #92

Yes, another good point, I totally get that. But Julian really needs to understand OUR perspective, Zorra Oct 2012 #101

Talk to Julian tama Oct 2012 #116

Yeh, well, he's kind of hard to get ahold of these days. Zorra Oct 2012 #119

He characterizes his plea for money as 'intervening' in our election. randome Oct 2012 #126

While he has done some good marlakay Oct 2012 #50

And you were so very close to completely embracing Assange before now. He'll miss you. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #53

No, I wasn't, as of course you know. MineralMan Oct 2012 #57

Julian Assange Launches Vote WikiLeaks Funding Campaign while Supporters Face �140,000 Bail Loss struggle4progress Oct 2012 #56

Well of course treestar Oct 2012 #66

I'm pretty Obama designated Assange as a potential drone assassination target nichomachus Oct 2012 #76

Obama has not done that treestar Oct 2012 #78

OMG! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #106

I doubt very much that President Obama has given MineralMan Oct 2012 #81

the only reason he/the obama administation even mentions him these days it seems Bodhi BloodWave Oct 2012 #89

Well, it sure does seem like that, doesn't it? MineralMan Oct 2012 #93

I support wikileaks 1000 percent quinnox Oct 2012 #75

OK. Thanks for letting me know. MineralMan Oct 2012 #82

LAUNCH THE DRONES! MadHound Oct 2012 #87

I doubt that there is much concern about MineralMan Oct 2012 #91

Classical rhetorical tactic tama Oct 2012 #94

Threads go where they will. MineralMan Oct 2012 #95

My memory is so bad tama Oct 2012 #109

God, I wish this asshole would get lost in the jungles of Ecuador already. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #96

People are fighting tooth and nail for the right to vote this year, Chorophyll Oct 2012 #103

^^^^^^This^^^^^^ one_voice Oct 2012 #107

Very well stated! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #113

Yes. Anyone that rapes a sleeping woman is a fucking savage. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #118

You are right. MineralMan Oct 2012 #120

Thank you, Chorophyll! Assange is Cha Oct 2012 #124

Thanks Cha and everyone else who replied. Chorophyll Oct 2012 #130

Well said...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #137

I am not surprised. It has been evident for a long time that Assange is for one thing: himself. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #125

Thanks for your comment. MineralMan Oct 2012 #127

dweeb. nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #133