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33. Well I certainly agree that we should be playing constitutional hardball

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Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:09 PM

Nov 2020

They are playing it already and we need to step up our game.

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The Vice President is the President of the Senate. If Mitch retains power... [View all] joshcryer Nov 2020 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author lastlib Nov 2020 #1

Fixed. joshcryer Nov 2020 #7

thank you! lastlib Nov 2020 #9

Senate rso Nov 2020 #2

2 words... Duppers Nov 2020 #14

So what is gained by her being there and presiding? mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #3

As the link shows, she'd give priority to a Democrat. joshcryer Nov 2020 #6

Excellent! 👏👏👏👏 SheltieLover Nov 2020 #91

That would force Republicans to finally have a voting record Generic Brad Nov 2020 #69

True and if wielded correctly it could put the Republicans in a tight spot. cstanleytech Nov 2020 #75

How does this play into the rules of the senate Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #4

As the link shows Majority/Minority are not in the Senate rules. joshcryer Nov 2020 #5

Interesting. So the VP could in essence schedule a Senate Recess for Recess Appointments? TheBlackAdder Nov 2020 #8

The main power the VP has is giving priority to a Senator. joshcryer Nov 2020 #10

But doesn't Schumer, for example, have some limited ability to bring up a vote? bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #15

Cloture requires 60 votes, and the GOP is hardline. joshcryer Nov 2020 #24

The virtual filibuster is what needs to be gotten rid of. marble falls Nov 2020 #88

Both the house and senate need to agree to be in Recess bottomofthehill Nov 2020 #73

the senate has rules and the powers of the person presiding aren't all that great unblock Nov 2020 #11

It mentions she could determine the order of business ToxMarz Nov 2020 #22

Generally the senate rules committee does that unblock Nov 2020 #23

Of course, but this is for 2022, put them on the spot voting down stuff. joshcryer Nov 2020 #25

Well I certainly agree that we should be playing constitutional hardball unblock Nov 2020 #33

Plus, it would make them pull their hair out. joshcryer Nov 2020 #38

Loop Hole. Here you go. safeinOhio Nov 2020 #12

So if the VP and minority party match, they have more say - bringing up legislation, votes bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #13

See post 17 -- it won't work. onenote Nov 2020 #19

Impeach McConnell too! world wide wally Nov 2020 #16

Senators can't be impeached. onenote Nov 2020 #18

Then lock him up. world wide wally Nov 2020 #20

For what? onenote Nov 2020 #21

But they can be charged and prosecuted wnylib Nov 2020 #50

That's the question -- what crimes do you think he can be charged with onenote Nov 2020 #70

I'm not a lawyer or investigator, wnylib Nov 2020 #71

They could dig deep on the money exchanges between Mitch and China and/or Russia, and/or SA, Turkey, fwvinson Nov 2020 #85

Trump is committing treason,human rights abuses and allowing deaths by ignoring the pandemic questionseverything Nov 2020 #76

Whether a Senator can be impeached or not is sort of an unsettled question... PoliticAverse Nov 2020 #68

After 222 years, there is no chance the House will try to impeach a Senator. onenote Nov 2020 #74

Yeah really, zero chance of any Congress person being impeached presently. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2020 #89

Isn't going to happen and wouldn't work anyway. onenote Nov 2020 #17

But she couldn't be overruled by a majority of the Senate if the Senate was 50-50. TheRickles Nov 2020 #26

If the Senate is 50-50, a Democrat will end up as Majority Leader onenote Nov 2020 #28

You don't need this if it's 50-50 because Dems would have the majority. joshcryer Nov 2020 #29

They could change the rules but it would not overrule the President of the Senate's... joshcryer Nov 2020 #27

The Supreme Court will never take a case relating to an interpretation of the Senate's rules. onenote Nov 2020 #31

Neutering the Vice President's constitutional power... joshcryer Nov 2020 #35

Where in the Constitution does it say the VP has "priority recognition" power. onenote Nov 2020 #37

This would lead to a physical filibuster. joshcryer Nov 2020 #39

A majority of senators would decide the question. Nothing would be heavily debated in courts. tritsofme Nov 2020 #47

If the "majority of the senators" decided... joshcryer Nov 2020 #49

Senators can limit by rule the role of the presiding officer, and it would not be reviewable. tritsofme Nov 2020 #52

The role is already limited. joshcryer Nov 2020 #53

It would be dismissed as a political question before it could be dismissed tritsofme Nov 2020 #55

+1, uponit7771 Nov 2020 #78

But you know Bitchy Mitchy's rule on rules: sandensea Nov 2020 #32

Moscow Mitch has shown rules are not laws, tradition and decorum are gone after him uponit7771 Nov 2020 #77

i would love the democrats to be forceful backroadblast Nov 2020 #30

Same here, FoxNewsSucks Nov 2020 #34

Doesn't quite work that way... brooklynite Nov 2020 #36

The Senate rules do not give that authority. joshcryer Nov 2020 #41

I really hope this happens regardless of the balance of power in the Senate mikelgb Nov 2020 #40

VP/President of the Senate has Constitutional standing. MarcA Nov 2020 #42

The Senaate gets do define Progressive dog Nov 2020 #43

The Constitution defines the Vice President as the President of the Senate. joshcryer Nov 2020 #45

Brilliant idea! BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #44

If this was something the Vice President could do- needledriver Nov 2020 #46

because this is pie in the sky stopdiggin Nov 2020 #48

Thank you! My point exactly n/t needledriver Nov 2020 #51

What are they going to do if she waltz in there and demands to preside? joshcryer Nov 2020 #56

Mitch will just tell her to "Go to Hell" Polybius Nov 2020 #90

Because Biden followed tradition and decorum that don't exist any longer uponit7771 Nov 2020 #79

Anything that is simply a custom or norm in favor of Republicans should be ignored greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #54

Completely agree. joshcryer Nov 2020 #57

Exactly make the supreme Court.. Strictly.... define constitution uponit7771 Nov 2020 #80

We need to pickup at least one of those GA seats. roamer65 Nov 2020 #58

Mitch will block everything as long as he's the majority leader. radius777 Nov 2020 #66

Why does the Senate choose their President Pro tempore? Why couldn't the President TryLogic Nov 2020 #59

Because the Vice President doesn't show up as their Constitutionally given right to Preside? joshcryer Nov 2020 #63

Then why did President Obama & Vice President Biden do this? William769 Nov 2020 #60

Obama was the consumate bi-partisan. joshcryer Nov 2020 #62

Sorry, not buying it. William769 Nov 2020 #65

Because they were both following tradition in decorum that no longer exist after Moscow Mitch uponit7771 Nov 2020 #81

I hope we see some real hardball from this administration. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #61

It all comes down to what the rules of the Senate say Azathoth Nov 2020 #64

Yup Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #67

Moscow Mitch showed rules are'nt laws & will be changed & broken at will Constitution is law uponit7771 Nov 2020 #82

Funny how LBJ tried it and was torn apart by Senate Democrats. Marcuse Nov 2020 #72

LBJ like Obama follow rules and decorum Moscow Mitch abolished those uponit7771 Nov 2020 #83

If this was true, then VP Biden would have put forward Garland's nomination Polybius Nov 2020 #84

The real underlying problem DeSmet Nov 2020 #86

Short Answer: Joe Biden onenote Nov 2020 #87

Someone needs to! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #92