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Blue_true

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40. The problem is, how do we keep a US Representative, of a democratic City Council

Sun Nov 22, 2020, 05:23 PM

Nov 2020

member from thoughtless yelling stuff like “defund the police” or “socialism is everywhere”. Maybe such people should stop and think about how to transmit needed messages, but my guess is they won’t do that. So we get “defund the police” when we should get “reform policing so that it makes police officers and the public safer”. The goal with policing should be to not have police officers dealing with every problem, including many that they are poorly trained to resolve, and we need to reform police hiring so that brutes, haters and adrenaline jockeys don’t get hired.

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'A huge catastrophe': Democrats grapple with congressional and state election losses [View all] brooklynite Nov 2020 OP

The huge catastrophe is the what the madman in the WH is doing as a lame duck still_one Nov 2020 #1

The "defund the police" thing didn't help at all. Who ever thought that was a great slogan should dem4decades Nov 2020 #2

What "slogan" would you have? "Reboot the police"? pat_k Nov 2020 #10

How about Police the Police? Anything but defund. dem4decades Nov 2020 #15

Yes. "Defund" had a more nuanced goal behind it that wasn't captured. pat_k Nov 2020 #30

Reform the police, as Biden has said. onetexan Nov 2020 #33

As I note, "reforms" have been ineffective. pat_k Nov 2020 #46

Are you arguing slogans or efficacy? LanternWaste Nov 2020 #51

I'm arguing for messaging that captures desperately needed, effective, action. pat_k Nov 2020 #61

I would start with an ad campaign crafted around this tweet: CrispyQ Nov 2020 #18

Powerful indeed. pat_k Nov 2020 #34

I wish I could rec this post Withywindle Nov 2020 #63

That was a good article. Thanks for posting. -nt CrispyQ Nov 2020 #20

"Repeal and Replace" SoFlaBro Nov 2020 #84

That could work. pat_k Nov 2020 #85

Yup, the rioting this spring was very damaging I'm several ways Amishman Nov 2020 #13

There's no proof of this, poor polling in America doesn't help either uponit7771 Nov 2020 #16

It hurt us badly. cwydro Nov 2020 #26

I don't know how the Democratic party can control the slogans that protesters use. nt. Mariana Nov 2020 #27

We get lumped in because Democratic mayors were seen as doing little or nothing to stop riots. Ace Rothstein Nov 2020 #29

We can't. But we can do a FAR better job responding. pat_k Nov 2020 #65

What democrat came up with that slogan? Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #36

How many Democrats run as socialists? Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #52

That's a messaging problem Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #56

The point is that the messaging of defund the police became a problem. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #58

Right Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #69

If it sticks, they need to readjust. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #71

Here's a thought Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #73

Sure but how do you do that? Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #74

Call them out for it Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #76

I wish that was enough. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #78

Yes. pat_k Nov 2020 #68

People who were running around pushing that phrase will likely do anything Blue_true Nov 2020 #37

How are Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #42

Good point. I simply don't like street protest for the very reason that they Blue_true Nov 2020 #48

A related post of mine up thread pat_k Nov 2020 #70

+1 AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #57

One of the truisms of life is that greater wisdom comes with more experience. Blue_true Nov 2020 #64

You know what didn't help at all? JHB Nov 2020 #38

The problem is, "what is our own media"? Caliman73 Nov 2020 #41

All the media in the world won't undue the damage that thoughtless idiots who run Blue_true Nov 2020 #50

Please explain what you mean. What thoughtless idiots and poorly thought out logic? Caliman73 Nov 2020 #54

Agreed 100% Lotusflower70 Nov 2020 #44

Under the circumstances, I think they are in pretty good shape. kentuck Nov 2020 #3

That's water under the bridge at this point. MineralMan Nov 2020 #4

Not "water under the bridge." pat_k Nov 2020 #72

I think with covid, democrats were not going door to door MacKasey Nov 2020 #5

Salesmanship ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #6

But they never do BeyondGeography Nov 2020 #9

Apparently, Not ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #19

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2020 #32

The problem is, how do we keep a US Representative, of a democratic City Council Blue_true Nov 2020 #40

How does "reforming" police address the core issues that make communities "unsafe"? Caliman73 Nov 2020 #47

We start by hiring more people that have social services experience and experience Blue_true Nov 2020 #55

You seem to be focused on "hotheads running around with signs..." Caliman73 Nov 2020 #82

Reasonable points you made. Blue_true Nov 2020 #83

It doesn't. Reboot akin to Camden needed. pat_k Nov 2020 #75

Message Training ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #49

I don't want people alerting on me for singling out a person. Blue_true Nov 2020 #62

I Get Your Point ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #79

We need to grapple with gerrymandering and voter supression. bullimiami Nov 2020 #7

very true stopdiggin Nov 2020 #12

Money needs to be out of politics as well. Right wing media also needs to be dealt with. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #53

Absolutely. (plus corrected link) pat_k Nov 2020 #77

(Fire Chief): "Sorry maam. We saved your house but lost the curtains." dameatball Nov 2020 #8

I'm not a Dem. EndlessWire Nov 2020 #31

"progressive agenda" is total bullshit actually. KentuckyWoman Nov 2020 #11

Already the agenda is slipping towards "saving the world" instead of "what is right for America" Klaralven Nov 2020 #21

My idea may be wrong, but KentuckyWoman Nov 2020 #22

That's OK, so long as it isn't being a sucker taken advantage of by other countries Klaralven Nov 2020 #25

Can't fix stupid with more stupid Moostache Nov 2020 #43

Covid could be stopped in the United States. China, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam and Japan have done Klaralven Nov 2020 #60

Stopping spread is NOT stopping the virus Moostache Nov 2020 #66

Trade, travel is back to normal within/between those countries Klaralven Nov 2020 #67

The republicans are better liars Turbineguy Nov 2020 #14

InOtherWords: "...please forget how horrific polling was so we can use it again in Jan 21" uponit7771 Nov 2020 #17

While Trump and the GOP have focused all of KPN Nov 2020 #23

Seems suspicious. moondust Nov 2020 #24

This is a ridiculous premise DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #28

Agree. That headline is ridiculous. Catastrophe would have been if the Con won the election, onetexan Nov 2020 #35

Cultist followers is right. Mariana Nov 2020 #39

Thank you for this post! The article overlooks massive demographic changes. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #59

I think the problem is getting Democrats to understand BainsBane Nov 2020 #45

The right-wing has long been VERY focused on. . . pat_k Nov 2020 #80

You can't reach working-class people when they have chosen to slit their economic throats krispos42 Nov 2020 #81