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Hassin Bin Sober

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107. Pseudo Masculinity or toxic masculinity or whatever it's called

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 06:05 PM

Nov 2020

They want to be tough guys. They don’t want to be “libs” (I mean besides the racism and misogyny of a good percentage).

I’ve known several guys like that. Their wives would just roll their eyes at them.

My neighbor was one of them in 2004 - until I sat him down and made him watch the first Bush/Kerry debate with me. That was the debate Bush flopped majorly- flop sweat and all.

The reaction was “dude, Bush is an idiot”

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Why do white men as a demographic always vote Republican? [View all] BainsBane Nov 2020 OP

Because the status quo and conservatisim are a white supremacy that prizes masculinity. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #1

I do believe a belief in authoritarianism--"Daddy-issues" and racism does explain hlthe2b Nov 2020 #10

If the exit polls are accurate BainsBane Nov 2020 #16

Articles asking why white women tend to vote Republican are not "scapegoating" -- they're asking WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #24

I disagree BainsBane Nov 2020 #30

How, exactly, are these articles "weaponized"? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #33

I'll give you 2016 as an example BainsBane Nov 2020 #46

Another example Withywindle Nov 2020 #110

+1 LizBeth Nov 2020 #112

It is scapegoating, particularly when it comes from white men. kcr Nov 2020 #42

I am really unclear on what this "scapegoating" looks like and who's doing it. When you say WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #48

Where do you think we are right now? kcr Nov 2020 #52

Other people here are saying there's "scapegoating" going on. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #54

Then I'm not sure you understand what scapegoating is, so there's no point. kcr Nov 2020 #57

It's an observation BainsBane Nov 2020 #92

Well, for one thing, this thread and OP were about white men Withywindle Nov 2020 #113

I adamantly disagree white feminists do not recognize the work the needs to be done with other LizBeth Nov 2020 #47

I'm a white man. Aristus Nov 2020 #2

Same here. LuvNewcastle Nov 2020 #29

I am of that demographic kairos12 Nov 2020 #103

Trump only got 55% of white women so it's a slim majority nt Shermann Nov 2020 #3

If those polls are even accurate BainsBane Nov 2020 #4

Yes, we should wait for the Pew research study that will spooky3 Nov 2020 #11

Interesting BainsBane Nov 2020 #36

Yes. Slightly more of them did vote repub than Dem, but the media spooky3 Nov 2020 #68

Okay BainsBane Nov 2020 #78

You're welcome. Notice that 62% of white men spooky3 Nov 2020 #87

I didn't realize that the difference in population was so great BainsBane Nov 2020 #90

I wonder too and will be interested to see the Pew results. Nt spooky3 Nov 2020 #91

What is different about Pew's methodology BainsBane Nov 2020 #93

If you go to the link in my earlier post, then scroll down to spooky3 Nov 2020 #94

I think it was a lower amount, personally. And I disagree I am a visitor to the party. LizBeth Nov 2020 #12

"the inherent patriarchy enforced by religion" luv2fly Nov 2020 #35

It's good to doubt this Stargleamer Nov 2020 #17

Only? StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #101

LBJ may have been the last Democrat to capture the the majority Stargleamer Nov 2020 #5

I heard my boss say one time that he always voted Republican because of his Christian values. Arkansas Granny Nov 2020 #6

My late husband was a white man... lisa58 Nov 2020 #7

why speak in such extremes? "always" "Never" pretty offensive post NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #8

+1 hlthe2b Nov 2020 #14

+2 Alex4Martinez Nov 2020 #19

Because we have seen countless posts BainsBane Nov 2020 #25

I can't help but notice the different reaction between those threads and yours kcr Nov 2020 #28

Thank you BainsBane Nov 2020 #37

The difference between the two does tend to pull a curtain or two aside. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #100

Actually that article was debunked very publicly. Truthfully, we don't yet know exactly how many hlthe2b Nov 2020 #38

Do you know what I do during the day? How much time I spend here - or don't? NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #56

My point is a valid one BainsBane Nov 2020 #65

Then make it in a valid way. Black/white, all of nothing statements and thinking NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #70

You are an individual BainsBane Nov 2020 #77

It is not the point you were trying to make, it was the way you were making it. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #81

Do you not think the other post I referenced BainsBane Nov 2020 #85

Haven't read it - but if it was an article - that's awful word choices. Just because NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #95

fair point BainsBane Nov 2020 #97

thank you. have a nice rest of your Sunday! NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #99

I am understanding where you are coming from. Yes, it is always on the woman to be above it all, LizBeth Nov 2020 #64

Please luv2fly Nov 2020 #9

I read white men educated vote increased for Democrats this election. LizBeth Nov 2020 #21

Please feel free to express how ridiculous BainsBane Nov 2020 #50

I do feel free thanks luv2fly Nov 2020 #59

Do you dispute the fact BainsBane Nov 2020 #71

I dispute your use of the word "always" luv2fly Nov 2020 #117

What are conservatives trying to conserve? Iggo Nov 2020 #13

I think at this point BainsBane Nov 2020 #86

This old white man doesn't. edbermac Nov 2020 #15

White men made up Biden's second largest voting block after white women. Ace Rothstein Nov 2020 #18

As an old white man who has never voted for a Republican MineralMan Nov 2020 #20

Well, then the statement white people are guests in the party when they bring the majority of the LizBeth Nov 2020 #22

Question everything. That's my motto. MineralMan Nov 2020 #31

I can agree with all this. And I do question, hence my previous post. LizBeth Nov 2020 #39

Yes, exactly. I edited the post. MineralMan Nov 2020 #49

Totally hear you. It drives me mad when I do it. LizBeth Nov 2020 #66

Ummm luv2fly Nov 2020 #43

Oops. I corrected the post. MineralMan Nov 2020 #44

I think you want to edit this. n/t Laelth Nov 2020 #51

Already done. MineralMan Nov 2020 #53

I disagree about skin color not being a predictor BainsBane Nov 2020 #96

+1 LizBeth Nov 2020 #111

Check post #75. nt LAS14 Nov 2020 #76

Shrug MineralMan Nov 2020 #82

This. nt cwydro Nov 2020 #105

I'm white and I haven't voted (R) in 40+ years RainCaster Nov 2020 #23

Union? n/t Laelth Nov 2020 #55

Never - not needed in my field RainCaster Nov 2020 #61

Wow. You do, indeed, blow up all the stereotypes. Laelth Nov 2020 #63

Many of us do, if you scratch the surface a bit RainCaster Nov 2020 #67

Yea you and yes we get to rejoice your Dem vote, lol. LizBeth Nov 2020 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Jeebo Nov 2020 #26

I have a theory, but it might be a bit like a conspiracy idea. zanana1 Nov 2020 #27

I know this to be true, we hear it from them. LizBeth Nov 2020 #72

I don't think that's a conspiracy theory at all BainsBane Nov 2020 #84

Becayse They Like To Control What Other People Do & How Much THey Have Me. Nov 2020 #32

Why can't we just all be people? TheFarseer Nov 2020 #34

But the fact that failing to acknowledge Codeine Nov 2020 #115

Can we do it in a way that TheFarseer Nov 2020 #118

White men DON'T always vote Republicon. Jeebo Nov 2020 #40

the statement is about the demographic BainsBane Nov 2020 #58

I don't disagree with the point of your original post. Jeebo Nov 2020 #74

fair point BainsBane Nov 2020 #80

Because they honestly believe MyNameGoesHere Nov 2020 #41

upward mobility BainsBane Nov 2020 #83

People vote for the party that aligns with " their values" tulipsandroses Nov 2020 #45

I am a white, 61 year old, male, life-long blue collar worker. I voted GOP one time in my life. Progressive Jones Nov 2020 #60

They imagine themselves macho and Dems weak. Ligyron Nov 2020 #62

that's a good point BainsBane Nov 2020 #88

They want the 1950s back. redstatebluegirl Nov 2020 #73

To the OPer, I imagine you're frustrated that so many disregarded your... LAS14 Nov 2020 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2020 #79

I'm glad you clarified your post MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #89

Thank you. nt BainsBane Nov 2020 #98

Simple-minded. They don't. Maybe align with reality? Hortensis Nov 2020 #102

The question wasn't about smart or stupid BainsBane Nov 2020 #104

Nope. I'm calling out this blatant propaganda headline for what it is. Hortensis Nov 2020 #106

Pseudo Masculinity or toxic masculinity or whatever it's called Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2020 #107

White Men really do need to look to themselves and stop seeing their group as victims JI7 Nov 2020 #108

White guy here. fearnobush Nov 2020 #109

I am not a guest in the Democratic Party. Codeine Nov 2020 #114

+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #120

Generalizations aside Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2020 #116

Both white men and white women vote republican too much standingtall Nov 2020 #119