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Klaralven

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Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:54 AM Nov 2020

'Absolutely remarkable': No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe COVID-19 [View all]

Continuing the spate of stunning news about COVID-19 vaccines, the biotech company Moderna announced the final results of the 30,000-person efficacy trial for its candidate in a press release today: Only 11 people who received two doses of the vaccine developed COVID-19 symptoms after being infected with the pandemic coronavirus, versus 185 symptomatic cases in a placebo group. That is an efficacy of 94.1%, the company says, far above what many vaccine scientists were expecting just a few weeks ago.

More impressive still, Moderna’s candidate had 100% efficacy against severe disease. There were zero such COVID-19 cases among those vaccinated, but 30 in the placebo group. The company today plans to file a request for emergency use authorization (EUA) for its vaccine with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and is also seeking a similar green light from the European Medicines Agency.

The data released today bolster an interim report from the company two Mondays ago that only analyzed 95 total cases but produced similarly impressive efficacy. “I would still like to see all of the actual data, but what we’ve seen so far is absolutely remarkable,” says Paul Offit, a vaccine researcher at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia who is a member of an independent committee of vaccine experts that advises FDA.

Moderna’s vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, relies on a novel technology that uses messenger RNA (mRNA) to code for a protein called spike that studs the surface of the pathogen. Pfizer and BioNTech have developed a similar mRNA vaccine against COVID-19 and also reported excellent results, with an efficacy of 95%, in the final analysis of their 45,000-person trial. In that study, which ended after 170 cases of COVID-19 were identified, only 10 severe cases occurred, and just one was in the vaccinated group.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/absolutely-remarkable-no-one-who-got-modernas-vaccine-trial-developed-severe-covid-19

Given the number of anti-vaxxers out there still infecting others, these are the vaccines that you want. Individual protection, rather than vaccine-induced herd immunity, is what you want in a vaccine.

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They make it sound like it merely reduces or eliminates symptoms which is not immunity. PSPS Nov 2020 #1
The 11 in the vaccine group versus the 185 who got Covid in the placebo group shows immunity Klaralven Nov 2020 #2
They say "developed COVID-19 symptoms," not "became infected." It's not a vaccine. PSPS Nov 2020 #18
Some people don't develop immunity because of their own immune response. NutmegYankee Nov 2020 #3
There's nothing in this story that claims it has any effect on infection, just the symptoms. PSPS Nov 2020 #19
So what you are saying is you know very little about vaccines? NutmegYankee Nov 2020 #28
Vaccines prevent infection. Palliatives alleviate or eliminate symptoms. PSPS Nov 2020 #34
Doubling down is never helpful. nt NutmegYankee Nov 2020 #36
Vaccines don't stop viruses from attempting to infect you. roamer65 Nov 2020 #4
I am not sure how one can aim to get a specific vaccine at this point. LisaL Nov 2020 #7
I don't trust Pfizer. roamer65 Nov 2020 #16
I don't think anybody is gong to make you to get the vaccine. LisaL Nov 2020 #17
There may be multiple ones available. roamer65 Nov 2020 #23
You might have to go to China to get that one. LisaL Nov 2020 #25
I read China is shipping it out to other countries. roamer65 Nov 2020 #30
Unless FDA approves it, you won't be able to get it in the US. LisaL Nov 2020 #32
Correct. roamer65 Nov 2020 #33
Merely reducing symptoms is not a vaccine. PSPS Nov 2020 #20
By your opinion there are no vaccines. roamer65 Nov 2020 #22
Of course it does: Polio, smallpox, measles, etc. PSPS Nov 2020 #24
No. People can still have sub clinical infections of measles. roamer65 Nov 2020 #31
Yes, those are the people in whom the vaccine was ineffective. PSPS Nov 2020 #35
NIH says otherwise. roamer65 Nov 2020 #37
Vaccine should make it impossible to be infected? Nonsense. LisaL Nov 2020 #5
You are incorrect PSPS Nov 2020 #15
So you think you know better than Dr. Fauci? LisaL Nov 2020 #21
I'm not saying it's useless or undesirable. It's just the misuse of the term "vaccine." PSPS Nov 2020 #27
Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are far better than expected DrToast Nov 2020 #6
How does one get either one of these vaccines? This is the question. LisaL Nov 2020 #8
Looks like the CDC is meeting to sort all that out DrToast Nov 2020 #10
I could be among the second priority to get the COVID shot meow2u3 Nov 2020 #9
Why did only 185 in the placebo group develop symptoms? LeftInTX Nov 2020 #11
What do you mean? DrToast Nov 2020 #12
OK Thx..Thought they intentionally exposed them LeftInTX Nov 2020 #14
Whatever it takes to kill this thing! Initech Nov 2020 #13
Once again I will ask if the subjects of the study continued other COVID protocols... Hugin Nov 2020 #26
They were told to continue on as normal as far as I can tell. LisaL Nov 2020 #29
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