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Tom Rinaldo

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31. You are more than welcome, I appreciate your asking the questions
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 12:14 PM
Dec 2020

Our areas of total agreement here are expansive. I in particular really appreciate your pointed framing of the problems that emerge once we dive deeper than a cosmetic surface agreement:

"People will say, "Of COURSE we need to reach out to black voters but we also need to reach out to rural white voters - it's not an either/or proposition." But then as we move along, we start hearing about how the outreach to black voters is scaring off white voters, so we need to tone it down, change the language to be less offensive, not sound like we're playing "identity politics," stop making white people feel like they're being racist, etc. On the other hand, there is never any concern about how the messaging and outreach to white voters might be heard and interpreted by black people and that it may be offensive to us. It happens every time."


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"I'm just tired of black voters always being told to sit in the back of the bus and not make too much noise because we need to make room for white people who don't want to ride the bus precisely because there are too many of us on it."


Other things we agree on is that far too many White voters are, as you say, "unreliable, fickle and disloyal." One thing that I do feel clear on is the unambiguous need for our Party to ALWAYS lean hard into the morally correct position. We can not repudiate what is right for the sake of courting votes. So if that means White voters getting potentially scared away by the truth being actually spoken, so be it. It isn't easy, but I do think it is possible to reach some rural white voters with a message framed to break through to them that need not be in any way offensive to Black voters.

Many decades ago I was deeply inspired reading about the work of some late 19th century and early 20th century Union organizers who helped forge strong solidarity among workers of different racial and ethnic groups, who often harbored deep prejudices against each other prior to joining forces for common economic goals. It doesn't work with everyone, but it can work with some, and that can spell the difference between winning and losing.

I think my bottom line is that no appeal can be made to any constituency, in this case rural White voters, that in any way obscures or deflects from what must always be an iron clad commitment to the fundamental human and civil rights and dignity of all racial groups and minorities in our nation. That is the guiding golden rule. If that rule is not compromised though, targeted outreach can still make sense, even to rural whites on non racial grounds. Again, our Constitution locks in too much power granted relatively rural white States, to not factor that into the equation for Democrats holding power at the national level. A Senate Seat from Maine or Kansas carries the same political power as one from Georgia or Michigan.

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Good question Delmoniko Dec 2020 #1
Is it clearly "one gets all the attention, the other is told to shut up" Dem2 Dec 2020 #2
One gets most of the attention Bettie Dec 2020 #6
Is that true? Dem2 Dec 2020 #16
Exactly right FakeNoose Dec 2020 #3
White rural voters are mostly a lost cause Bettie Dec 2020 #4
+1000 StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #8
All the cities that had high paying jobs True Blue American Dec 2020 #9
I'm kin to them and I agree scrabblequeen40 Dec 2020 #21
Did you hear that segment about what Biden could learn True Blue American Dec 2020 #5
Not to be too inflammatory thucythucy Dec 2020 #7
If it's inflammatory, that's only because it's a truth too many people don't want to face StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #11
You are quite right. True Blue American Dec 2020 #12
Rural voters rso Dec 2020 #10
Many White People have a hard time acknowledging racism in their community JI7 Dec 2020 #13
Indeed StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #14
The "better messaging" we need for the real racists isn't more understanding unblock Dec 2020 #15
For real greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #17
Especially when far more people in urban counties voted for Trump then in rural ones Kaleva Dec 2020 #18
Raw numbers maybe. Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #20
Raw numbers are what matters in elections Kaleva Dec 2020 #24
Yep, less than 20 percent of the population and fading fast..... marmar Dec 2020 #19
Because Republicans are too afraid of their voters procon Dec 2020 #22
This a self-correcting problem - a dying demographic scrabblequeen40 Dec 2020 #23
If this were true, there would be no racism in cities. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author scrabblequeen40 Dec 2020 #25
It's two sides of the same coin. We can't tell white rural voters they're racist, because that will WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #26
Stepping heedlessly into a minefield here... Tom Rinaldo Dec 2020 #28
Wow StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #30
You are more than welcome, I appreciate your asking the questions Tom Rinaldo Dec 2020 #31
Seriously, why aren't they courting cities? intheflow Dec 2020 #29
The answer is right in this thread mtnsnake Dec 2020 #32
I don't assume that all white rural voters are racists StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #33
I know you don't assume that mtnsnake Dec 2020 #35
It may not "all" be about racism, but racism plays a significant part in it StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #37
Yeah, why do white urban and suburban people lecture dems to do that? mathematic Dec 2020 #34
If that's what it is, why aren't black and brown people going along with this? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #36
Black and brown people don't get to hide behind white rurals when holding these positions mathematic Dec 2020 #40
Simple answer? White Supremacy Caliman73 Dec 2020 #38
OK, since this is the week of "Hillbilly Elegy" DonCoquixote Dec 2020 #39
JD Vance is a right wing venture-capitalist sellout Withywindle Dec 2020 #42
Even worse that a big part of the lecturing comes from supposedly fellow Dems. UTUSN Dec 2020 #41
I'm tired of hearing about the Democratic messaging thing. betsuni Dec 2020 #43
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