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hlthe2b

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18. Then you are apparently not able/willing to trust in our career professionals, who have held firm

Thu Dec 3, 2020, 11:29 AM

Dec 2020

That's on you. I know those who have suffered severe career repercussions for refusing to bend to WH pressure. They did so to ENSURE only good policy drives vaccine development and delivery.

You will have the ability to read reports and reporting from those groups that examine the data and the reasoning behind their decisions. You will also likely have free access to the prestigious medical journal articles published on these vaccines since NEJM, JAVMA, the Lancet, BMJ and others have made COVID-related publications available in many cases to non-subscribers. Perhaps if you start reading the reams of articles ALREADY available on issues related to these vaccines and methods of development, you might be able to reassure yourself and to formulate the specific questions you wish your physician to help you answer.

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Do we get to see the data that was released to the FDA about the vaccines? thx in advance [View all] uponit7771 Dec 2020 OP

you mean "trust us" isn;t good enough? beachbumbob Dec 2020 #1

+1, especially when vaccine.gov says 3 to 5 yrs for safe vaccine. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #4

Not all, because some of it is private patient information Klaralven Dec 2020 #2

Correct, are we able to see breakdowns etc that aren't related to specific patient data uponit7771 Dec 2020 #7

Why would it be necessary? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #3

Trust but verify. EDIT: Trust AND verify uponit7771 Dec 2020 #5

The Cold War era Russian proverb "trust but verify" is a clear indication of hostility and distrust... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #31

Maybe but there are plenty in this countries mistrust is well founded. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #34

Huh? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #35

Edited post, I thought it was to someone down thread uponit7771 Dec 2020 #36

Trust *but" verify ... trust *and* verify NurseJackie Dec 2020 #61

Reasonable transparency is the right thing to do uponit7771 Dec 2020 #62

Irrational suspicion and fear mongering and encouraging anti-vax talking points... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #63

Correct, only 14% of blacks trusting this vaccine is not irrational suspicion though and its well uponit7771 Dec 2020 #65

Ridiculous. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #69

"Yes it is." This is a overtly privileged position to take at minimum and dismissive of racism in US uponit7771 Dec 2020 #70

No. The FDA WILL and the ACIP (advisory committee for CDC) can demand it hlthe2b Dec 2020 #6

That's too bad, seems like transparency will help with trust and verification uponit7771 Dec 2020 #8

Actually no. I edited my previous post to indicate why this is not appropriate. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #10

Isn't that a similar excuse Trump used to not tell us about the virus at first? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #13

Then you are apparently not able/willing to trust in our career professionals, who have held firm hlthe2b Dec 2020 #18

Again we can trust and verify. why the pushback on the minimum of transparency? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #19

Show me one vaccine, one medication, one treatment for which you've obtained RAW data hlthe2b Dec 2020 #23

Strawman noted, not asking for raw data you in injected that. People, why the pushback on the data? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #29

that is EXACTLY what you are demanding. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #30

Don't have "raw" in my OP and if I did so what? This is crazy, ask for data get swarmed must have uponit7771 Dec 2020 #38

You are asking for that ACTUAL data-- THAT IS RAW data. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #39

Again, so what !? Seems like fly crap in pepper whether data is released in whole or in part the ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #42

Can you stop posting and then denying what you posted? I see you did with your "trust but verify" hlthe2b Dec 2020 #47

Nah, seems like a rabbit hole position ... raw vs any. Who cares?! Doesn't uponit7771 Dec 2020 #58

Maybe, but would you be able to interpret that data yourself? MineralMan Dec 2020 #9

Some of it and I know multiple people who can understand the rest uponit7771 Dec 2020 #11

OK, whatever. MineralMan Dec 2020 #14

You're kidding me right? 14% all blacks dont trust the vaccine because we're all stupid? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #17

The results of the trials will be published in peer-reviewed journals. MineralMan Dec 2020 #24

Uponit has a valid point, MM. It's not antivax, it's a reaction that PoC have been led to from ... marble falls Dec 2020 #28

I reject the anti-vaxxer propaganda altogether. MineralMan Dec 2020 #33

Blacks aren't AV we're mostly distrustful of racist authoritarian admins who openly are hostile to.. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #41

The data will be available. Watch for it. MineralMan Dec 2020 #44

+1, the polling right now is 14% of all blacks strongly don't trust this vaccine. Look at the swarm uponit7771 Dec 2020 #40

All things considered had a very good report on this yesterday or the day before ... marble falls Dec 2020 #48

There has been an issue with insufficient AA and other minorities inclusion in some PHASE I-III hlthe2b Dec 2020 #46

I haven't fought cancer for the last eight years to die of Covid or faunch at using the vaccine ... marble falls Dec 2020 #52

Actually, the elderly with chronic health complications AND cancer were studied in large numbers hlthe2b Dec 2020 #53

I use VA. I get exceptional treatment. Even some 'odd' ones, but VA has been the best thing ... marble falls Dec 2020 #56

eye brow raising issue is we hear now that we have to learn to deal with the vaccine side effects beachbumbob Dec 2020 #12

+1, I've heard the side effects are not nice at all uponit7771 Dec 2020 #15

As one dealing directly with patient DISEASE side effects and death on near daily basis, this is not hlthe2b Dec 2020 #16

NPI vs vaccine for some is a choice for others it's an imperative uponit7771 Dec 2020 #20

I imagine that being on a respirator would be a terrible inconvenience for them as well. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #22

The minimum CDC recommendations have kept many people off of respirators. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #25

Clearly the "minimum" isn't good enough, is it? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #27

Yes they are, when they're followed. Hundreds of other countries that have done the minimum have ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #32

Ridiculous. Nobody said that. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #43

"clearly minimum isn't good enough" isn't an intimation that minimum CDC NPI not "good enough"!? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #45

You didn't answer my question... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #49

That is the minimum !!! uponit7771 Dec 2020 #57

Please answer my question. Which countries "did the minimum" and now have covid controlled? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #59

Link to NYT table for countries have done the minimum and controlled the virus inside uponit7771 Dec 2020 #64

I agree with Fauci. I disagree with you. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #67

I amended to say "plenty", you're wanting to fight I just asked a question. Thx for your input uponit7771 Dec 2020 #71

And that is YOUR decision to make if you feel so strongly . hlthe2b Dec 2020 #26

I'm curious if you mistakenly believe you were only at risk for shingles, if you were in contact hlthe2b Dec 2020 #37

There are reported side effects for every vaccine. MineralMan Dec 2020 #21

What do you call a vaccine with zero side effects? BlueIdaho Dec 2020 #50

Oddly enough, there can be side effects even with placebos. MineralMan Dec 2020 #51

The famous "Placebo Effect" BlueIdaho Dec 2020 #54

Yes. It's definitely real. MineralMan Dec 2020 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #74

I want experts to review it Orangepeel Dec 2020 #60

After experts reviews it reasonable transparency on the data is the right thing to do uponit7771 Dec 2020 #66

And that is exactly what will happen. MineralMan Dec 2020 #68

"You want something now that will be released soon" This is false on its face, sup with the ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #72

Your OP was based on the assumption that the data would not MineralMan Dec 2020 #73

"Your OP was based on the assumption that the data would not be made available" No it wasn't, I ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #76

Here's a just-released article in The New Scientist MineralMan Dec 2020 #75

THX !!! uponit7771 Dec 2020 #77