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29. Strawman noted, not asking for raw data you in injected that. People, why the pushback on the data?

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Do we get to see the data that was released to the FDA about the vaccines? thx in advance [View all] uponit7771 Dec 2020 OP

you mean "trust us" isn;t good enough? beachbumbob Dec 2020 #1

+1, especially when vaccine.gov says 3 to 5 yrs for safe vaccine. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #4

Not all, because some of it is private patient information Klaralven Dec 2020 #2

Correct, are we able to see breakdowns etc that aren't related to specific patient data uponit7771 Dec 2020 #7

Why would it be necessary? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #3

Trust but verify. EDIT: Trust AND verify uponit7771 Dec 2020 #5

The Cold War era Russian proverb "trust but verify" is a clear indication of hostility and distrust... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #31

Maybe but there are plenty in this countries mistrust is well founded. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #34

Huh? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #35

Edited post, I thought it was to someone down thread uponit7771 Dec 2020 #36

Trust *but" verify ... trust *and* verify NurseJackie Dec 2020 #61

Reasonable transparency is the right thing to do uponit7771 Dec 2020 #62

Irrational suspicion and fear mongering and encouraging anti-vax talking points... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #63

Correct, only 14% of blacks trusting this vaccine is not irrational suspicion though and its well uponit7771 Dec 2020 #65

Ridiculous. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #69

"Yes it is." This is a overtly privileged position to take at minimum and dismissive of racism in US uponit7771 Dec 2020 #70

No. The FDA WILL and the ACIP (advisory committee for CDC) can demand it hlthe2b Dec 2020 #6

That's too bad, seems like transparency will help with trust and verification uponit7771 Dec 2020 #8

Actually no. I edited my previous post to indicate why this is not appropriate. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #10

Isn't that a similar excuse Trump used to not tell us about the virus at first? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #13

Then you are apparently not able/willing to trust in our career professionals, who have held firm hlthe2b Dec 2020 #18

Again we can trust and verify. why the pushback on the minimum of transparency? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #19

Show me one vaccine, one medication, one treatment for which you've obtained RAW data hlthe2b Dec 2020 #23

Strawman noted, not asking for raw data you in injected that. People, why the pushback on the data? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #29

that is EXACTLY what you are demanding. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #30

Don't have "raw" in my OP and if I did so what? This is crazy, ask for data get swarmed must have uponit7771 Dec 2020 #38

You are asking for that ACTUAL data-- THAT IS RAW data. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #39

Again, so what !? Seems like fly crap in pepper whether data is released in whole or in part the ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #42

Can you stop posting and then denying what you posted? I see you did with your "trust but verify" hlthe2b Dec 2020 #47

Nah, seems like a rabbit hole position ... raw vs any. Who cares?! Doesn't uponit7771 Dec 2020 #58

Maybe, but would you be able to interpret that data yourself? MineralMan Dec 2020 #9

Some of it and I know multiple people who can understand the rest uponit7771 Dec 2020 #11

OK, whatever. MineralMan Dec 2020 #14

You're kidding me right? 14% all blacks dont trust the vaccine because we're all stupid? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #17

The results of the trials will be published in peer-reviewed journals. MineralMan Dec 2020 #24

Uponit has a valid point, MM. It's not antivax, it's a reaction that PoC have been led to from ... marble falls Dec 2020 #28

I reject the anti-vaxxer propaganda altogether. MineralMan Dec 2020 #33

Blacks aren't AV we're mostly distrustful of racist authoritarian admins who openly are hostile to.. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #41

The data will be available. Watch for it. MineralMan Dec 2020 #44

+1, the polling right now is 14% of all blacks strongly don't trust this vaccine. Look at the swarm uponit7771 Dec 2020 #40

All things considered had a very good report on this yesterday or the day before ... marble falls Dec 2020 #48

There has been an issue with insufficient AA and other minorities inclusion in some PHASE I-III hlthe2b Dec 2020 #46

I haven't fought cancer for the last eight years to die of Covid or faunch at using the vaccine ... marble falls Dec 2020 #52

Actually, the elderly with chronic health complications AND cancer were studied in large numbers hlthe2b Dec 2020 #53

I use VA. I get exceptional treatment. Even some 'odd' ones, but VA has been the best thing ... marble falls Dec 2020 #56

eye brow raising issue is we hear now that we have to learn to deal with the vaccine side effects beachbumbob Dec 2020 #12

+1, I've heard the side effects are not nice at all uponit7771 Dec 2020 #15

As one dealing directly with patient DISEASE side effects and death on near daily basis, this is not hlthe2b Dec 2020 #16

NPI vs vaccine for some is a choice for others it's an imperative uponit7771 Dec 2020 #20

I imagine that being on a respirator would be a terrible inconvenience for them as well. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #22

The minimum CDC recommendations have kept many people off of respirators. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #25

Clearly the "minimum" isn't good enough, is it? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #27

Yes they are, when they're followed. Hundreds of other countries that have done the minimum have ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #32

Ridiculous. Nobody said that. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #43

"clearly minimum isn't good enough" isn't an intimation that minimum CDC NPI not "good enough"!? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #45

You didn't answer my question... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #49

That is the minimum !!! uponit7771 Dec 2020 #57

Please answer my question. Which countries "did the minimum" and now have covid controlled? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #59

Link to NYT table for countries have done the minimum and controlled the virus inside uponit7771 Dec 2020 #64

I agree with Fauci. I disagree with you. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #67

I amended to say "plenty", you're wanting to fight I just asked a question. Thx for your input uponit7771 Dec 2020 #71

And that is YOUR decision to make if you feel so strongly . hlthe2b Dec 2020 #26

I'm curious if you mistakenly believe you were only at risk for shingles, if you were in contact hlthe2b Dec 2020 #37

There are reported side effects for every vaccine. MineralMan Dec 2020 #21

What do you call a vaccine with zero side effects? BlueIdaho Dec 2020 #50

Oddly enough, there can be side effects even with placebos. MineralMan Dec 2020 #51

The famous "Placebo Effect" BlueIdaho Dec 2020 #54

Yes. It's definitely real. MineralMan Dec 2020 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #74

I want experts to review it Orangepeel Dec 2020 #60

After experts reviews it reasonable transparency on the data is the right thing to do uponit7771 Dec 2020 #66

And that is exactly what will happen. MineralMan Dec 2020 #68

"You want something now that will be released soon" This is false on its face, sup with the ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #72

Your OP was based on the assumption that the data would not MineralMan Dec 2020 #73

"Your OP was based on the assumption that the data would not be made available" No it wasn't, I ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #76

Here's a just-released article in The New Scientist MineralMan Dec 2020 #75

THX !!! uponit7771 Dec 2020 #77