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samnsara

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2. i keep recalling Prez Ford and the Swine flu vaccine....

Reply to beachbumbob (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2020, 07:47 AM

Dec 2020

..thank goodness UK is taking it first ( I'm sure it will be OK!)

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What happens when you rush a vaccine to market? Lack of critical data is what happens [View all] beachbumbob Dec 2020 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #1

i keep recalling Prez Ford and the Swine flu vaccine.... samnsara Dec 2020 #2

Happy to oblige... a la izquierda Dec 2020 #7

I recall that very well. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #115

Were the manufacturers.. Maxheader Dec 2020 #3

It doesn't really matter, so long as the vaccine protects the person vaccinated Klaralven Dec 2020 #4

Thanks for the info and analysis. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #6

the CEO of Pzizer said they have no idea concerning a vaccinated person infecting others beachbumbob Dec 2020 #9

The vaccinated person is not infectious because of the vaccine Klaralven Dec 2020 #13

So, they roll it out in stages and only my elderly mom is vaccinated in my family rainin Dec 2020 #12

Your elderly mom does not become infectious because of being vaccinated Klaralven Dec 2020 #15

This is correct. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #34

Thank you. I suspect my husband will be vaccinated long before I qualify, tanyev Dec 2020 #46

No more than a child vaccinated against polio would infect his classmates. Hortensis Dec 2020 #21

Not a great example. The polio vaccine we administer NOW is not infectious, but the oral polio hlthe2b Dec 2020 #37

True, and serious points. Mine is just that people should, you know, THINK. Hortensis Dec 2020 #44

has the mRNA ever been used before? Has it been infectious before? thx in advance uponit7771 Dec 2020 #45

It has not been used in previously licensed vaccinations. But, there is nothing infecious in mRNA. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #51

It's not a new technology Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #54

I said that in my post. Please re-read. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #55

I'm talking about cancer treatments Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #58

The question was about vaccines. The issue of use in therapeutics is not at issue. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #59

No. The question was "Has mRNA been used before?" Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #62

The entire thread is about the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #63

Well I disagree. The point is the efficacy of the vaccine Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #66

Exactly... The thread is about the vaccine. Your misrepresenting what i posted is not helpful hlthe2b Dec 2020 #68

Actually, I find that information useful. Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #67

+1, thx for answering in the context of vaccines and not in the context of any other application ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #71

You are quite welcome. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #72

THANK YOU !!! This is way better than being called anti-vax ... thx for this, should be OP uponit7771 Dec 2020 #69

Yes and no. It is a proven cancer treatment Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #53

Does this mean that people shouldn't get the vaccine? Is this promoting an anti-vax message? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #5

Sounds that way... Happyhippychick Dec 2020 #8

The "be afraid... be very very afraid" message is starting to show up on DU. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #16

:) I'm not afraid. Lots of hospital staff will be dropping dead Hortensis Dec 2020 #23

I'll be in an early group too (I hope) but not among the VERY first. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #32

"(I hope) but not among the VERY first." Wait, WTF !?!? Has is this a message of trust vaccines ? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #36

Oh good grief! GMAFB! Read it again... the whole sentence. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #70

OK, I'm same ... I want to be early but not the first too... we're not that different Jackie :D uponit7771 Dec 2020 #73

No... if I could be first I would be first. I actually WANT to be first.... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #77

Same here except I can't. After finding out there were not broad enough testing for PECs I'm out uponit7771 Dec 2020 #79

Yes we are. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #81

I'm not spreading FUDD and I'm eager too soooo ... yeah, we're more same than different. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #83

LOL! NurseJackie Dec 2020 #84

lol, we'll disagree on that lil iddy biddy tiny point then uponit7771 Dec 2020 #85

No, FUDD is not "iddy-biddy". Irrational disinformation and fear-mongering hurts everyone. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #87

:) If I were a nursing home staffer, I'd be hoping to get it FIRST day. nt Hortensis Dec 2020 #39

means any COVID vaccine has lacking data hat could give people a false sense, has nothing to do with beachbumbob Dec 2020 #10

THIS !!! I don't see how "shut up and take it or you're anti-vax" helps with reasonable trepidation uponit7771 Dec 2020 #38

I don't think so. It doesn't say don't get the vaccine, it's saying we don't have good information. Squinch Dec 2020 #11

no live virus in this vaccine Claire Oh Nette Dec 2020 #113

+1000 BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #14

Same here... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #17

Pretty much ... StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #19

No its not. People with reasonable trepidation about vaxxines should ask questions uponit7771 Dec 2020 #24

Yes, it is StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #25

False on its face, we at least have to agree with reality. Distrust in big pharm IS reasonable, that uponit7771 Dec 2020 #40

The fact that this history exists doesn't mean that every expression of "concern" StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #52

Strawman, no one said "every expression of concern is valid". My position is expressions of ..... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #82

By "every" she meant "your". NurseJackie Dec 2020 #89

We agree :D uponit7771 Dec 2020 #93

No. Actually, we don't. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #96

People with reasonable trepidation should learn how vaccines work Klaralven Dec 2020 #60

Thank you! NurseJackie Dec 2020 #90

Questioning CV19 vax data isn't AntiVax & expecting folk to blindly trust Big Pharma isnt reasonable uponit7771 Dec 2020 #22

Promoting "trepidation" is a back-door anti-vax messaging. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #26

But NJ, "don't trust big pharma" *IS* a rational reaction to what Big Pharma has done throughout uponit7771 Dec 2020 #28

These are ridiculous irrational fears. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #30

Institutions that habitually screw up lose peoples trust can we agree on that? I don't see the CDC uponit7771 Dec 2020 #33

There's nothing we agree on. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #41

We agree that we ... BOTH ... don't want to be the first to take the vaccine !! lol, we no doubt uponit7771 Dec 2020 #43

I never said that. I'll happily stand in line to be FIRST to get the vaccine. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #49

" ... but not among the VERY first." ?! Whatever, we're close enough in agreement uponit7771 Dec 2020 #75

Stop it. I never said that I don't want to be among the first. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #80

I'm with you StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #86

Actually, if I got a call this morning that I could get the vaccine today, MineralMan Dec 2020 #64

I have PEC's so I'm out of the first group, I'm glad I asked for and got some information yestereday uponit7771 Dec 2020 #76

with both myself and my wife in high risk category, I do NOT place my faith in Big Pharma beachbumbob Dec 2020 #47

The funeral-home industry and respirator industry definitely support anti-vax FUDD messaging. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #61

I know NO person who has caught COVID that took all the precautions, OTH, I know 6 beachbumbob Dec 2020 #65

Well, I guess that settles it then. Obviously no such thing has happened. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #74

No no no !!! You need to blindly trust pharm groups or you hate vaccines to some people. Jus uponit7771 Dec 2020 #78

At least he's consistent Tanuki Dec 2020 #29

Promoting an anti-vax message is dangerous and irresponsible thing to do. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #31

I couldn't agree with you more. I can't wait to get the vaccination. Tanuki Dec 2020 #35

As I just now mentioned to someone else in this thread... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #42

Oh crap, you up & done it now I asked about vax data yesterday and got swarmed. Touchy subject uponit7771 Dec 2020 #18

Someone posted yesterday that the government (or perhaps "big pharma" woooo!) couldn't be trusted... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #20

Thx, I have to read about it cause I'm not familiar with the lingo they use. There has to be middle uponit7771 Dec 2020 #27

it were about trust, why does Big Pharma have shield laws? beachbumbob Dec 2020 #50

To protect from the insane anti-vax accusations that the vaccine causes autism. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #57

I find this as dangerous as being an anti-vaxer as it sounds, damn the outcome, just do it beachbumbob Dec 2020 #48

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Dec 2020 #91

See? I told you we don't agree. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #97

haha, no kidding. People bring up perfectly legit questions about vaccines and mtnsnake Dec 2020 #88

They're still up to it today !! They think they're the majority in thinking uponit7771 Dec 2020 #92

You don't vote on science. Whether or not someone is in the majority is irrelevant... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #98

Ridiculous. Nobody said that. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #94

If you missed it then you need to look again mtnsnake Dec 2020 #99

Control-F "face of the earth" ... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #100

Searching that particular phrase is just avoiding the reality that you don't want to find it. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #101

I did that. My statement that "millions of lives are at stake" doesn't even come close to your... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #102

It wasn't you I was referring to mtnsnake Dec 2020 #104

LOL! Sure. Whatever. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #105

LOL, I'm glad you found it! mtnsnake Dec 2020 #107

Oh, how clever. Someone edited...and then faulted ME for responding to the original version. Charming. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #109

I told you in a post right after that that it was not millions mtnsnake Dec 2020 #110

I've read that is why mask wearing is critical after getting the vaccine. You could be kairos12 Dec 2020 #56

What does it matter if you keep spreading it to people who have had the vaccine? cbdo2007 Dec 2020 #95

It matters because the vaccine isn't 100% effective. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #103

Not everyone is going to get the vaccine at the same time. meadowlander Dec 2020 #106

You think it's good public policy to delay a vaccine during a global pandemic? mathematic Dec 2020 #108

It's anti-vax rhetoric. It's an anti-vax message. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #111

Is this all you got from the Dateline report? DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #112

This! MineralMan Dec 2020 #114