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Buckeyeblue

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13. But the constitution addresses that the power to pardon does not apply to impeachment

Reply to StarfishSaver (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 4, 2020, 10:03 AM

Dec 2020

And since the only way to remove a president is through impeachment, there doesn't seem to be anything preventing the president from pardoning himself.

But I agree that this would be something the SC would have to interpret.

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Laurence Tribe just explained on Lawrence O'Donnell why Trump could not self-pardon. [View all] LaMouffette Dec 2020 OP

He's not going to resign. TwilightZone Dec 2020 #1

The logic is sound, but untested. pat_k Dec 2020 #2

Thank you for this! LaMouffette Dec 2020 #8

A crime or conviction is needed for a pardon. pwb Dec 2020 #12

There is indeed a blanket pardon and yes, it actually does work that way StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #15

Come on? pwb Dec 2020 #16

My saying it doesn't make it so. But the Supreme Court saying it DOES make it so StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #17

O K give me an example of a blanket pardon? pwb Dec 2020 #18

Ford's pardon of Nixon is an example StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #19

So Presidents can be criminals for four years doing whatever they want pwb Dec 2020 #20

I don't believe the Constitution permits a president to pardon himself StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #21

I do have a question though, PRETZEL Dec 2020 #23

Yes, it could. StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #24

Thanks, PRETZEL Dec 2020 #25

Because the president has absolute power to pardon StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #27

Fair enough, thanks PRETZEL Dec 2020 #28

When Ford pardoned Nixon, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #3

Yup, that's what I meant! Thanks. I should have written that it should not be possible . . . LaMouffette Dec 2020 #9

K&R UTUSN Dec 2020 #4

I don't think the argument against self-pardoning is all that strong Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #5

Tribe made the point that if a POTUS could self-pardon, panader0 Dec 2020 #6

I agree with that sentiment. But is that a legal argument? Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #7

Yes. It's a Constitutional interpretation, which the Supreme Court us empowered to do StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #11

But the constitution addresses that the power to pardon does not apply to impeachment Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #13

The Constitution simply says a president cannot use the pardon power to stop an impeachment StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #14

Not a great example FBaggins Dec 2020 #26

Cops murdering unarmed black men StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #29

There's a difference between a self-pardon and resigning so the VP can pardon StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #10

That's not a particularly strong argument. I'd go with an equal protection claim Azathoth Dec 2020 #22