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BarackTheVote

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38. I agree with you completely, CoffeeCat

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:59 AM

Oct 2012

that was my first impression, too--that Obama was knocked off his game by Wromney just taking a complete about-face from all of the policy he was prepared to debate him on. But, Wromney didn't really back away from what he's been saying, he just reframed it and lied shamelessly. The 20% across the board tax cut *IS* the 4 trillion dollar tax cut... the debt-nutrality of it by closing loop-holes is STILL IMPOSSIBLE, as Clinton pointed out. Obama DID point out Wromney's lies, and also got a good zinger in there about Wromney's policy being "nevermind"--I think that can potentially stick, especially with Wromney already having a reputation as a flip-flopper.

Our shock and disgust shouldn't be aimed at the President... Jim Lehrer completely lost control of the debate... and Romney took advantage by constantly getting in the last word, i.e., leaving the audience with the brain-bug of an unanswered lie. Fortunately, we still have ads and two more debates, so Wromney didn't REALLY get in the last word. His sense of success is false.

To everyone wringing their hands tonight: CALM THE FUCK DOWN.

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I really can't believe what I just watched [View all] CoffeeCat Oct 2012 OP

He should have called him on the lies /nt still_one Oct 2012 #1

I honestly think the President is setting him up. Those lies are out there now, Romney owns every monmouth Oct 2012 #3

Bingo. Look for them in the next round of pro-Obama ads. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #6

The next debate is too far off, people in this country have trouble with focus. Don't get me wrong, still_one Oct 2012 #7

Oh, he won't be waiting for the next debate to attack the lies. gkhouston Oct 2012 #11

I won't know because I am in California, but I hope you are right /nt still_one Oct 2012 #13

Exactly Tyson73 Oct 2012 #25

I Was Thinking The Same Thing And My Analogy Is A Pool Shark In A Bar..... global1 Oct 2012 #28

Rmoney's working class right wing base will be utterly confused marions ghost Oct 2012 #58

Agreed dogfacedboy Oct 2012 #46

It would not be the first rethugs he has set up and showed them up for what they truly are. jwirr Oct 2012 #63

I believe locdlib Oct 2012 #69

But when Obama didn't refute them it implies that he conceded they were true. Kablooie Oct 2012 #82

Agreed. I think Obama expected to show up for a debate... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #8

Some Of The Blame Needs To Go To The Debate Moderator That Basically Knows The Stances Of Both..... global1 Oct 2012 #30

I agree 'some here will say that it is not his job'... Blanks Oct 2012 #72

The moderator was AWFUL! Glitterati Oct 2012 #87

I agree with your analysis completely marions ghost Oct 2012 #59

After 4 years of republican behavior pangaia Oct 2012 #62

"horrendous lies and a labyrinth of games" xtraxritical Oct 2012 #75

Agree with the post and with you. glinda Oct 2012 #24

actually - he did bloom Oct 2012 #52

As the OP wrote... ailsagirl Oct 2012 #91

In a perfect world yes. But it would have taken a lot of time. It would have come across as defensiv rhett o rick Oct 2012 #105

they should have come up with some solution to the problem Enrique Oct 2012 #2

That's what I think. factsarenotfair Oct 2012 #9

I agree that Presidential candidates... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #12

Was each lie a "Zinger?" and the "Grand Zinger" calling Obama liar? AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #22

Perhaps that is why they nominated Mitt. He is a Sociopath and will be glinda Oct 2012 #26

Precisely, and normal tactics don't work with them Z_I_Peevey Oct 2012 #57

Sounds like you know what you're talking about Turborama Oct 2012 #92

There have been three personalities shown and the 4th is the one that this is too hard on Mitt. DhhD Oct 2012 #98

Excellent OP, CoffeeCat. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #4

Thank you CC - our guy is honest vs. the other guy who spews lies n/t flamingdem Oct 2012 #5

Uh... no. Obama just sucked. Fawke Em Oct 2012 #10

Quite the opposite. Obama held his composure... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #16

Yes but there are people that Mitt confused and swayed by his lying. glinda Oct 2012 #27

Romney is counting on the idea that nobody saw him on the campaign trail,... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #43

Who looked and sounded presidential last night? Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #42

That wasn't "Presidencial". That was a con man in action. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #44

It's hard to hit back NightOwwl Oct 2012 #102

Disagree. Romney had it easy. All he had to do was spout agressive talking points and make impossib rhett o rick Oct 2012 #107

Romney's promise to cover pre-existing conditions isn't new, but it's limited pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #14

Same old story: you're covered until you can't make payments or slip up accidentally once. Curtains. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #83

And about 89 million Americans experience gaps in coverage pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #89

Excellent analysis. Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #15

I totally expected it. Cha Oct 2012 #17

I didn't at all... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #19

I just expected romney to go all Cha Oct 2012 #29

Romney was REALLY proud of himself----he's great at game-playing young_at_heart Oct 2012 #18

Exactly...this isn't going to change minds! CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #20

Also remember, there are a lot of us who have already voted. BlueMTexpat Oct 2012 #39

Your Wrong mikeforu Oct 2012 #110

That's my feeling as well! pacalo Oct 2012 #21

President Obama didn't give them anything to use ohheckyeah Oct 2012 #23

Well Done, Thanks otohara Oct 2012 #31

agreed NJCher Oct 2012 #36

I've just been watching clips polly7 Oct 2012 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author We People Oct 2012 #34

tenets. n/t Loudly Oct 2012 #33

The President is smarter mstinamotorcity2 Oct 2012 #35

Isn't that 'strategy' the same for 'most' of the 0.001%? Amonester Oct 2012 #37

I agree with you completely, CoffeeCat BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #38

Lying for the Lord DollarBillHines Oct 2012 #40

I didn't watch the debate King_Klonopin Oct 2012 #41

Excellent analysis. The only thing not addressed EmeraldCityGrl Oct 2012 #45

"No one, including the President--expected such sheer depravity." i did. barbtries Oct 2012 #47

Agreed. MadrasT Oct 2012 #48

Romney won the prize for being the most long winded, rapid fire liar on record lunatica Oct 2012 #49

If Obama doesn't gain traction in debate two bucolic_frolic Oct 2012 #50

Yes it was deliberate. I called it "speed-lying" ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #51

Romney also kept going from "compassionate conservative" to "obnoxious know it all" bloom Oct 2012 #53

It's easy to play the game, once you know what the rules are. SmittynMo Oct 2012 #54

The so-called debate was just a demonstration of how low Mitt will go to win--- Grammy23 Oct 2012 #55

Stop Grammy. Stop Now. The News Media Did NOT Fall Into Any Plan. HangOnKids Oct 2012 #77

I'm sorry - the cynical side of me is looking at "Team Obama" the same bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #56

I think they expected some lying. eqfan592 Oct 2012 #60

That was exactly my point in the OP... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #74

It's dangerous to even attempt figuring out the mind of a sociopath DaveJ Oct 2012 #94

It was like debating Sybil....good one! maddiemom Oct 2012 #104

It's like trying to catch a phantom Wednesdays Oct 2012 #76

I agree Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #79

Just donated to Obama again katmondoo Oct 2012 #61

After 4 years of republican behavior pangaia Oct 2012 #64

I agree however busterbrown Oct 2012 #65

You can't debate against a liar meadowlark5 Oct 2012 #66

Bill Clinton's debate style... DryHump Oct 2012 #67

very true!! Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #84

I think Romney was the one that humbled_opinion Oct 2012 #88

That's Obama's Problem... lame54 Oct 2012 #68

Romney wins debate -- in other news, the Seattle Seahawks beat Green Bay Packers last week Blue Owl Oct 2012 #70

CAN WE TAWK.... sevenseas Oct 2012 #71

obama seemed completely unprepared and disengaged.. frylock Oct 2012 #73

The Romney lies were what stood out to me from the beginning and Cleita Oct 2012 #78

Romney took every shot on the goal he could get. Didn't matter if 75% didn't go in. Jester Messiah Oct 2012 #80

Folks, it was just 1 debate. I'm sure President Obama knew what he was doing last night, and I'm jonesgirl Oct 2012 #81

He should have called him a liar and said the American people deserve harun Oct 2012 #85

Well I had to run this by the teaheads humbled_opinion Oct 2012 #86

Outstanding analysis, CoffeeCat ailsagirl Oct 2012 #90

Calling out the lies matt819 Oct 2012 #93

I liked your idea.... left on green only Oct 2012 #99

But "There you go again" worked fine for Reagan, thucythucy Oct 2012 #95

Obama may have been caught off guard with all the denials, but Curmudgeoness Oct 2012 #96

Rec +1 Rain Mcloud Oct 2012 #97

Damn straight. NightOwwl Oct 2012 #100

Agreed! hrmjustin Oct 2012 #101

My 16 year old, who knows very little of the issues Nevernose Oct 2012 #103

There is a reason Romney came across as a bully---and it's very simple---- Grammy23 Oct 2012 #106

Our discredited media PATRICK Oct 2012 #108

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Thank you MIRT uppityperson Oct 2012 #111