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Douglas Carpenter

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98. yeah, no knock out punches - but it was better night for the Romney than it was for the President

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:08 AM

Oct 2012

It does not necessarily change the fundamentals of the race which still favor the President. I recall following the first Mondale/Reagan debate of 1984 - Mondale was so on target and Reagan performed so pathetically - the generous comment made by one of Reagan's honest supporters was, "well at least he didn't drool." Obama certainly was not't that bad. In fact he wasn' really bad at all. As James Carville put it, "he acted like he just didn't want to be there." I'm afraid that showed a bit. But basically neither Romney or the President landed any solid punches or scored any great points. When opponents start throwing around technical figures to counter the other sides technical figures - a very muddied picture emerges and nobody really wins the argument.

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I challenge you to name the defining moment of the debate. [View all] Skinner Oct 2012 OP

Did Romney call Obama, Bro? Arctic Dave Oct 2012 #1

I didn't hear that, but... white_wolf Oct 2012 #16

True. Arctic Dave Oct 2012 #23

He wanted Angry Black Man. And he tried to bait him. msanthrope Oct 2012 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author andym Oct 2012 #132

I Agree, Sir: A Draw The Magistrate Oct 2012 #2

Just the opening, Sir, moving a few pieces out and seeing what your opponent has in mind. bemildred Oct 2012 #125

Well, I, for one, was stunned BellaKos Oct 2012 #3

Word has it femrap Oct 2012 #137

Exactly. Nobody lost this one in the moment. NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #4

I think part of the Obama strategy was let Romney lie unfettered. Lex Oct 2012 #14

I agree, I kept saying 'let him hang himself' and Obama kept listening to me SaveAmerica Oct 2012 #85

I accept the challenge Horse with no Name Oct 2012 #5

My thoughts... Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #75

Right. It would have devolved into a did not......did too..... are not.....are too so in that demgrrrll Oct 2012 #111

I doubt there are many undecideds out there, and this changed no one's mind. leveymg Oct 2012 #6

I agree, this was supposed to be about the economy basically and really I think Mitt played defense WI_DEM Oct 2012 #7

Romney calling the president a liar XemaSab Oct 2012 #8

Well there is one truth whether Romney likes it or not... Horse with no Name Oct 2012 #18

You're right. No one won. Bonobo Oct 2012 #9

If you were watching tonight and understand that Obama saved the auto industry...... busterbrown Oct 2012 #107

I appreciate the Cha Oct 2012 #10

Obama was mediocre, but Romney was too. Dash87 Oct 2012 #11

When Romney said he was gonna kill off Big Bird. That defined it for me. MADem Oct 2012 #12

hubby was watching, i was picking up a kid. a good hour in i asked, how is it going. hubby said... seabeyond Oct 2012 #29

Thank you for the much needed laugh. Grammy23 Oct 2012 #138

hey... i hear you. seabeyond Oct 2012 #139

It Was An Odd Moment, From A Very Odd Man otohara Oct 2012 #35

Yeah, actually, I think that's the only real contender. Romney promises to kill Big Bird. Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #80

Killing Big Bird in front of a national and global audience, worse than Palin at the turkey farm Coyotl Oct 2012 #154

I just saw on-the-record lies by Romney Politicub Oct 2012 #13

For me, it was when he said this ornotna Oct 2012 #15

�For 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan, and now five weeks before the election, he's Texas Lawyer Oct 2012 #17

+1 that was spontaneous and a GOOD ATTACK! flamingdem Oct 2012 #34

k&r... spanone Oct 2012 #19

Here's what I take away from it aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #20

did you see the reel of interuptions from Romney? the one that Maddow showed? trailmonkee Oct 2012 #21

The female group I was with disliked that behavior flamingdem Oct 2012 #37

As did the undecided female voters shown by the CNN graph rainbow4321 Oct 2012 #92

will Romney's interruptions demwing Oct 2012 #73

BINGO!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #77

***NOT A GAME CHANGER*** rMoney needed one, he failed regardless uponit7771 Oct 2012 #22

Thank you Skinner. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #24

not able to get on latest threads on du???? defined my debate experience for a bit. seabeyond Oct 2012 #25

if the game is lieing, yes I agree Obama wasn't onto that game. Whisp Oct 2012 #26

Big Bird. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #27

Yup. Big Bird. tinrobot Oct 2012 #42

And Mr. President may be coming down with the bird flu. Did anyone take his pulse, temp. or lonestarnot Oct 2012 #51

It's all Big Bird on Twitter anneboleyn Oct 2012 #57

Yep! Big Bird! burrowowl Oct 2012 #106

If anyone at the Obama campaign is smart, they will torture Williard with Big Bird... Moostache Oct 2012 #62

Will work for Food... countryjake Oct 2012 #63

I love that one! Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #64

And another one... countryjake Oct 2012 #71

He'll be taking over Oscar's trash can. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #76

Ack--those teeth! Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #81

That was meat for the base. They hate Ed Suspicious Oct 2012 #94

My best attempt to capture the highpoints of the debate Generic Other Oct 2012 #108

Ya need a head-choppin' hatchet in one of his hands... countryjake Oct 2012 #115

I love this one Hutzpa Oct 2012 #104

LOL. I love that one. Cali_Democrat Oct 2012 #110

Bingo! Odin2005 Oct 2012 #128

I didn't watch but you are right Big Bird is getting one heck of a lot of publicity right now Liberalynn Oct 2012 #143

In taking a step back my impression Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #28

Obama's weak opening? Just a thought. Nt xchrom Oct 2012 #30

When Romney said one need not worry about voucher care mzmolly Oct 2012 #31

My blood ran cold at that Horse with no Name Oct 2012 #49

Exactly mzmolly Oct 2012 #83

basically saying to those who've paid in 30 - 40yrs "screw you" uponit7771 Oct 2012 #84

That's basically it. mzmolly Oct 2012 #87

Yup. I am 51, paid taxes since I was 12, but screw me adigal Oct 2012 #127

I'm 40 and it sure as hell worried me.... MrsBrady Oct 2012 #148

Agreed. mzmolly Oct 2012 #149

Even though I got called "silly" and "dumb," here's my take on the debate... Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #32

Neither silly nor dumb. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #70

It made me regret my interest in politics - bitchkitty Oct 2012 #33

No apology for the website is needed, at least to me. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #36

"No... let's not" aletier_v Oct 2012 #38

Romney intended his 'zingers' to be delivered in response to Angry Black Man. When he didn't show msanthrope Oct 2012 #39

"is the reason that [Romney] is keeping all these plans to replace secret because they're too good?" gulliver Oct 2012 #40

Big Bird being fired by Romney. Connie_Corleone Oct 2012 #41

It's already a meme anneboleyn Oct 2012 #59

I do think that it's going to resonate. lolamio Oct 2012 #120

Actually, Big Bird ranked highest on Twitter debate comments Coyotl Oct 2012 #155

Mittwitt = lots of promises, no plans. He lied lied lied and was not called on any of them. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #44

I think it was a terrible debate, over all... countryjake Oct 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Oct 2012 #46

Obama was giving points and didn't cover. hay rick Oct 2012 #47

No, no real fireworks. Brigid Oct 2012 #48

Defining tactic: Romney's Gish Gallop. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #50

No defining moment just Romney looking cal04 Oct 2012 #52

Agreed Wednesdays Oct 2012 #53

Thanks, I've always loved that one! eom Maeve Oct 2012 #140

I think there may be a few Flatpicker Oct 2012 #54

Thank you! Indpndnt Oct 2012 #55

The end RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #56

This: Norrin Radd Oct 2012 #58

When it was over!! Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #60

LOL. Yeah, I'm tired of the thousand panicked threads too. Daemonaquila Oct 2012 #61

Skinner, thank you. Thank you very much. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #65

The main thing I really didn't ohheckyeah Oct 2012 #66

Aloha ellisonz Oct 2012 #105

I know..... ohheckyeah Oct 2012 #129

He is going to Fire Big Bird krawhitham Oct 2012 #67

Skinner, Free Republic was down during the debate, and it's still down, 2 hours after it ended Shampoobra Oct 2012 #68

Good. ailsagirl Oct 2012 #72

Lol! Their tiny minds exploded when Willard said he cares about everyone. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #74

Tee hee! lonestarnot Oct 2012 #79

Thanks, Skinner ailsagirl Oct 2012 #69

Du servers getting slammed is GOOD news. Sparkly Oct 2012 #78

Everything is working just fine Skinner and you and DU Admin have created my special haven during lonestarnot Oct 2012 #82

My thoughts exactly. SoapBox Oct 2012 #89

Skinner, don't you miss NC and our BBQ? I agree here, I didn't get the need SaveAmerica Oct 2012 #86

I think Obama made many exellents points... RichGirl Oct 2012 #88

For me it was when Obama let mittens slide on the 715 billion in cuts to medicaid. craigmatic Oct 2012 #90

He didn't. Amonester Oct 2012 #95

Thank you! I thought I was the only one who noticed! n/t ms liberty Oct 2012 #134

I thought he was playing rope a dope. yellowdogmi Oct 2012 #91

"I LIKE COAL!" And he was just crashing downhill from there. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #93

The Middle Class buried Mellow56 Oct 2012 #96

when Romney used Big Bird in a sentence hopeisaplace Oct 2012 #97

Now that's a Zinger! Cha Oct 2012 #113

yeah, no knock out punches - but it was better night for the Romney than it was for the President Douglas Carpenter Oct 2012 #98

Just a thanks garthranzz Oct 2012 #99

I got nothing. Live and Learn Oct 2012 #100

Mitt Romney trying to defend his proposal for voucher-care. ellisonz Oct 2012 #101

"You were fighting for Obamacare, not jobs" LittleBlue Oct 2012 #102

He said I was doing both things at the same time, that was his response. demgrrrll Oct 2012 #112

Romney mstinamotorcity2 Oct 2012 #103

... William769 Oct 2012 #109

Big Bird is pisssssed..... FrenchieCat Oct 2012 #114

This was Romney stealing Obama's ideas.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #116

Killing PBS BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #117

Promising to fire Big Bird was the defining moment of this debate--and it didn't tblue37 Oct 2012 #118

Medicare genxlib Oct 2012 #119

That is easy: the moment I stopped watching it. D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #121

I was surprised to hear Romney throw his sons under the bus Not Sure Oct 2012 #122

The thing that's getting the most attention is the Big Bird comment gollygee Oct 2012 #123

You'd best get your ducks in a row for election night, bro! bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #124

Romney saying insurance companies will compete for senior healthcare vouchers/dollars... Evasporque Oct 2012 #126

The second "Myth" Romney told his first lie.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #130

IT will go down as the firing Big Bird debate and be remembered for nothing else JCMach1 Oct 2012 #131

The defining moment came near the very beginning where Romney claimed he didn't have a 5 trillion andym Oct 2012 #133

It wasn't a debate, so we should stop trying to score it like one nichomachus Oct 2012 #135

You're right. Glitterati Oct 2012 #136

When people remember this debate they'll remember Romney's lying and the dissing of Big Bird.... Rowdyboy Oct 2012 #141

Thank You Skinner Liberalynn Oct 2012 #142

For me the defining moment was what Occupy Denver was doing in the streets around the debate. donheld Oct 2012 #144

In terms of the electorate, I agree. For me personally, the defining moment was when Romney denied stevenleser Oct 2012 #145

one good thing to come of it ibegurpard Oct 2012 #146

"Let's Be Clear" Ha Ha! In my debate bingo but I didn't get to drink to it til now!! SaveAmerica Oct 2012 #147

I can't name it precisely, BUT... 99Forever Oct 2012 #150

There was a debate? n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author MadDash Oct 2012 #152

I had no problems with DU. I think you are doing great. My most southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #153

Romney changed his entire stance on taxes... Agnosticsherbet Oct 2012 #156