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StarfishSaver

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29. Cops murdering unarmed black men

Reply to FBaggins (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 4, 2020, 07:29 PM

Dec 2020

I'm being facetious - partly. In reality, too often the only chance a police officer has of being charged with, much less convicted of, killing innocent an innocent black person is when the federal government steps in and charges them with federal civil rights violations.

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Laurence Tribe just explained on Lawrence O'Donnell why Trump could not self-pardon. [View all] LaMouffette Dec 2020 OP

He's not going to resign. TwilightZone Dec 2020 #1

The logic is sound, but untested. pat_k Dec 2020 #2

Thank you for this! LaMouffette Dec 2020 #8

A crime or conviction is needed for a pardon. pwb Dec 2020 #12

There is indeed a blanket pardon and yes, it actually does work that way StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #15

Come on? pwb Dec 2020 #16

My saying it doesn't make it so. But the Supreme Court saying it DOES make it so StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #17

O K give me an example of a blanket pardon? pwb Dec 2020 #18

Ford's pardon of Nixon is an example StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #19

So Presidents can be criminals for four years doing whatever they want pwb Dec 2020 #20

I don't believe the Constitution permits a president to pardon himself StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #21

I do have a question though, PRETZEL Dec 2020 #23

Yes, it could. StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #24

Thanks, PRETZEL Dec 2020 #25

Because the president has absolute power to pardon StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #27

Fair enough, thanks PRETZEL Dec 2020 #28

When Ford pardoned Nixon, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #3

Yup, that's what I meant! Thanks. I should have written that it should not be possible . . . LaMouffette Dec 2020 #9

K&R UTUSN Dec 2020 #4

I don't think the argument against self-pardoning is all that strong Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #5

Tribe made the point that if a POTUS could self-pardon, panader0 Dec 2020 #6

I agree with that sentiment. But is that a legal argument? Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #7

Yes. It's a Constitutional interpretation, which the Supreme Court us empowered to do StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #11

But the constitution addresses that the power to pardon does not apply to impeachment Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #13

The Constitution simply says a president cannot use the pardon power to stop an impeachment StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #14

Not a great example FBaggins Dec 2020 #26

Cops murdering unarmed black men StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #29

There's a difference between a self-pardon and resigning so the VP can pardon StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #10

That's not a particularly strong argument. I'd go with an equal protection claim Azathoth Dec 2020 #22