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19. I wish I had original sources to point you to, but those that study statistics on death say

Reply to redstatebluegirl (Original post)

Mon Dec 7, 2020, 02:58 PM

Dec 2020

we were well over 300,000 excess deaths for the year MONTHS ago. I believe that was back in September. Even that doesn't show the full extent of the problem as they say what social distancing is there has probably prevented more flu deaths. So we are probably well into the 400,000+ range by now.
And the number of cases is probably low because of all the carriers and people who won't go to the doctor who had mild cases that are never reported.
Plus we have officials in states like FL who are trying to actively participate in the cover up. Over an average summer FL normally has about 900 flu deaths. Well over the past summer they reported about 4000.

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Something I think we should all consider in terms of COVID death numbers. [View all] redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 OP

I've seen it said the numbers may be 10x higher than reported... Hugin Dec 2020 #1

No kidding DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #22

Remember the show Last Man on Earth? peanut57 Dec 2020 #60

That movie sparked my fascination Sugarcoated Dec 2020 #71

Ice Nine jaxexpat Dec 2020 #75

I know right? I'm 58, and I don't feel old. ... aggiesal Dec 2020 #83

I have noticed that many obits of people I know died of COVID, do not state that. Frustratedlady Dec 2020 #2

In some states cause of death is not listed in the obituary AwakeAtLast Dec 2020 #9

I realize that, but many do here. It is also helpful for family history health issues. n/t Frustratedlady Dec 2020 #10

Obituaries are not death certificates sorcrow Dec 2020 #51

I was directly replying to a post about obituaries AwakeAtLast Dec 2020 #54

Cause of death is a medical determination. milestogo Dec 2020 #3

It's up to the coroner, I think. n/t Laelth Dec 2020 #5

I believe the coroner determines the cause of death when the person is not ... aggiesal Dec 2020 #84

Interesting. Laelth Dec 2020 #86

Well, ask yourself why some deaths require an autopsy and others don't? ... aggiesal Dec 2020 #88

That makes sense. n/t Laelth Dec 2020 #90

I know that, however I have to wonder if medical personnel and hospitals are so tired and overworked redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #7

Our father had advanced dementia at his death GusBob Dec 2020 #8

I've heard stories from a fundy that people do argue cause and sometimes threaten, JanMichael Dec 2020 #58

I have always thought the diarrhea-gonorrhea story was just a joke soldierant Dec 2020 #66

You'd think so, but the precedent was set during the AIDS epidemic FakeNoose Dec 2020 #65

The way I look at this is an analogy ... aggiesal Dec 2020 #85

Frustrating. Infuriating. Depressing. Exhausting. Laelth Dec 2020 #4

The whole Republican party is a death cult, spreading disinformation to suck in more victims! Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #6

Doncha know that hospitals write in COVID because they get more money? Hekate Dec 2020 #11

I heard this from a friend the other day. Would like to hear the origin of this, or maybe not. nature-lover Dec 2020 #23

The last idiot I heard this from, I said, "you are telling me that the same insurance companies niyad Dec 2020 #37

They must be getting paid by George Soros PatSeg Dec 2020 #40

Still waiting for my check for the 2017 Women's March nt yellowdogintexas Dec 2020 #63

Must have got lost in the mail! PatSeg Dec 2020 #73

they are trash BainsBane Dec 2020 #12

It happens in the other direction, too greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #13

My friend thinks it is close to half a million at this point. redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #16

My mother-in-law died at home (not from Covid-19, this was before). Mariana Dec 2020 #30

Just think how many people gab13by13 Dec 2020 #14

I have a friend.... cannabis_flower Dec 2020 #21

That is scary as hell. Is there any place at all that just does outpatient surgeries ... Hekate Dec 2020 #41

She's finally. .. cannabis_flower Dec 2020 #64

Fingers crossed Hekate Dec 2020 #70

Jesus. That sounds pretty urgent to me! Habibi Dec 2020 #52

So now one can hire a lawyer to tell a doctor/hospital what someone died of - Unbelievable. iluvtennis Dec 2020 #15

There are lawyers that will take any case for money. redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #17

+ agree. But it shouldn't be allowed. The doctors are the domain experts and know what affliction iluvtennis Dec 2020 #18

No. They can try, but they'll almost certainly fail. Mariana Dec 2020 #28

I wish I had original sources to point you to, but those that study statistics on death say rwsanders Dec 2020 #19

I was talking to a family member Saturday and.. ananda Dec 2020 #20

I don't know if it's double, but it's certainly significantly higher. nt. Mariana Dec 2020 #26

Being evangelical can condition one for cult groupthink, too. ancianita Dec 2020 #24

This all makes a great deal of sense. NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #43

Which is what I'm going for in looking at the 71 million, lest we confuse them with the cult. ancianita Dec 2020 #45

I find this very interesting. I've never really thought about the number of adherents NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #50

Worth really seeing. Because we see the cult doesn't mean we should be blindsided by the rest. ancianita Dec 2020 #53

Fascinating. NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #56

... ancianita Dec 2020 #57

Absolutely. nt NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #59

The numbers are, in fact, bigger than what we see. Mariana Dec 2020 #25

Its over 600k deaths above the median Drb2072 Dec 2020 #27

the numbers are definitely bigger than what's reported. barbtries Dec 2020 #29

Me too, I just turned 65 this year. redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #35

August 26 barbtries Dec 2020 #39

And I can still hop, slower than I used to but I can do it! redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #77

The way I look at this is an analogy ... aggiesal Dec 2020 #87

it's a good analogy. nt barbtries Dec 2020 #91

i agree Authentically Adrian Dec 2020 #31

Welcome to DU! NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #44

Biden will create a bill to help the cost of no matrix Dec 2020 #32

Welcome to DU! NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #46

Here is the latest data I can find about excess deaths during 2020 Trailrider1951 Dec 2020 #33

Thanks for posting these links. NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #47

Goodness 65 year olds haven't died of old age since about 1875 bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #34

Read my #87 reply (Great minds think alike!) n/t aggiesal Dec 2020 #89

To acknowledge that they died of Covid means that they were wrong to have not worn a mask. LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #36

I hope these pathetic easy marks are not advertising their concerns RVN VET71 Dec 2020 #38

I think the NY Times has done a thoughtful analysis of excess death. It's frequently updated. Pobeka Dec 2020 #42

Thanks for posting this link. NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #48

this is just beyond insane AlexSFCA Dec 2020 #49

Absolutely. Have experienced people not wanting to call a spade a spade also... Illumination Dec 2020 #55

Startling graph from Minnesota: 40% of recent deaths are respiratory (normally 5-10%) progree Dec 2020 #61

Here, they put pneumonia with COVID complications or some such Hestia Dec 2020 #62

Just so you know, people have been crazy for years. TNNurse Dec 2020 #67

When I was in college I worked as a clerk in redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #69

This idiotic idea is on a par with flat earth. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #68

I Will take that bet .. yuiyoshida Dec 2020 #72

If they aren't sick, why are they in the hospital? UpInArms Dec 2020 #74

Exactly, my Dad was diabetic and lived to be 80. redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #78

I do think the numbers are higher Pugee Dec 2020 #76

My friend said the same thing. redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #80

How many non-Covid Diabetic patients are on ventilators? Not too many. My MiL started ... marble falls Dec 2020 #79

K&R for visibility Blue Owl Dec 2020 #81

The major reason the actual number of deaths than the counts... eallen Dec 2020 #82

This mindset is as ridiculous as that of flat-earthers, but varies in one crucial way. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #92