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LondonReign2

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90. I'm not so sure

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:22 AM

Oct 2012

"The vast majority of Americans aren't quite that stupid" -- You have a higher opinion of them than I do

Nonetheless, I stand by the opinion that most people, particularly the undecideds, DON'T know the truths from the lies. If they did they certainly wouldn't still be undecided. No one who KNOWS what the truth is can possibly sit there and watch Romney lie his ass off and STILL be undecided.

But, SOME will decide based on this debate only, while many won't. For those undecideds, Romney helped himself more than the President did.

"If Obama kept correcting Rmoney, you'd be saying Rmoney controlled the framing. Kept Obama chasing after his lies." Gee, thanks for telling me what I'd be saying. Care to put any other incorrect words in my mouth?

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People are so proud to declare unhinged lying as winning. Lowering standards. [View all] ProSense Oct 2012 OP

BIG kick and No Kidding!. . .n/t annabanana Oct 2012 #1

Well said. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2012 #2

very good. and this is the message that needs to get out. why let the lies be a win? nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #3

Amen! gademocrat7 Oct 2012 #4

I think there will be some blow back on this. Mitt's lies were incredibly easy to spot. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #5

. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #6

We DON'T NEED ANOTHER LIAR IN CHIEF - been there done that under *ush. No thanks. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #7

Patience grasshopper :) lalalu Oct 2012 #8

The substance of what Romney said is not what made him "win". Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #9

Well said Glitterati Oct 2012 #10

are you fuckin serious? he has accomplished a lot. not perfectly, but a lot. and women and gays seabeyond Oct 2012 #13

Yes, I'm dead fucking serious Glitterati Oct 2012 #14

It's actually ProSense Oct 2012 #18

you throw out nonfactual garbage, i challenge you with truth and i am romney bully? more bullshit. seabeyond Oct 2012 #47

Yuppers, Bohunk68 Oct 2012 #61

YOUR truth Glitterati Oct 2012 #111

Good luck explaining away the 47% video. People won't forget that over a debate. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #97

My low information voter neighbor Glitterati Oct 2012 #113

So he watches debates, yet has never seen the news or a commercial lately? Indpndnt Oct 2012 #115

He didn't watch the debate Glitterati Oct 2012 #116

He has made his decision with zero input based on Willard's profession? Indpndnt Oct 2012 #118

Because he's worth it! Glitterati Oct 2012 #119

In determining who won the debate, past accomplishments are irrelevant LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #42

What I saw was a man (Obama) who couldn't defend himself, much less you and I. seabeyond Oct 2012 #45

the "vast majority of Americans" treestar Oct 2012 #73

I'm not so sure LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #90

Imagine what it would have looked like if Obama kept correcting Rmoney treestar Oct 2012 #104

"couldn't defend himself" marions ghost Oct 2012 #87

"In short, he sounded like he knew what he was talking about. " ProSense Oct 2012 #11

What you seem to miss Glitterati Oct 2012 #12

anyone who is still undecided SemperEadem Oct 2012 #16

That's true Glitterati Oct 2012 #19

Welcome to idiot America pscot Oct 2012 #69

Amen! n/t Glitterati Oct 2012 #109

and if they decide based on that debate alone treestar Oct 2012 #74

Really? ProSense Oct 2012 #17

No one is supporting Romney Glitterati Oct 2012 #20

"They are stating FACTS. " ProSense Oct 2012 #23

No Glitterati Oct 2012 #30

"You and I were not the target audience that needed to be reached last night. " ProSense Oct 2012 #34

No one here is disputing that Romney lied pscot Oct 2012 #81

Here's where I have been for the last 3 hours Glitterati Oct 2012 #108

how does the average person feel SemperEadem Oct 2012 #15

I hope you're right Glitterati Oct 2012 #24

precisely my point about the sparkly bs SemperEadem Oct 2012 #125

Some of the "big" guys will figure it out Glitterati Oct 2012 #126

Excuses won't mean much if he loses the election. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #40

I am not distracted by the sparkly bs SemperEadem Oct 2012 #124

"he rejected all the right wing bullshit he's been talking for the last 6 years"... marions ghost Oct 2012 #89

Amen Atypical Liberal! serbbral Oct 2012 #43

Your annoyance is an American problem lalalu Oct 2012 #48

Don't take my word for it, check the front page of CNN. n/t Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #59

"sounded" prepared treestar Oct 2012 #72

Romney "won" because he did much better "acting" RiverStone Oct 2012 #83

Yup. You don't come off strong looking at your toes and avoiding eye contact. n/t Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #96

But Obama did not attack zeemike Oct 2012 #21

No Glitterati Oct 2012 #25

The President ProSense Oct 2012 #33

What part of this are you not understanding Glitterati Oct 2012 #35

"Do you really think the Walmart worker who watched the debate knows ANY OF THAT?" ProSense Oct 2012 #36

Stating that the President lost the debate is fact LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #50

It's an opinion treestar Oct 2012 #79

Not horse racing, ice skating LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #92

They have metrics for it treestar Oct 2012 #103

@ProSense serbbral Oct 2012 #51

That's silly treestar Oct 2012 #86

He threw low income voters under the bus marions ghost Oct 2012 #91

Sure attack the messenger. Jakes Progress Oct 2012 #63

Thank you, Jakes Progress Glitterati Oct 2012 #121

Do you really think the Walmart worker was ever going to vote for President Obama lalalu Oct 2012 #49

Obviously you have little respect for the voters in general treestar Oct 2012 #78

Grow up! Glitterati Oct 2012 #117

Why are you trying to convince this person. treestar Oct 2012 #129

How sad Glitterati Oct 2012 #135

Rmoney is so confused about his own position on Obamacare treestar Oct 2012 #77

Then Obama would not get the chance to say his piece treestar Oct 2012 #75

And if he had called it lies they would have said he lied zeemike Oct 2012 #95

Now the stage is set for VP Biden to debate the GOP Congress. DhhD Oct 2012 #56

I am rooting for your view zeemike Oct 2012 #93

Low information voters AgingAmerican Oct 2012 #22

Thank you! Glitterati Oct 2012 #28

I agree with Ed Schultz and Chris Matthews. I was unhappy. Why couldn't President Obama defend RickFromMN Oct 2012 #82

Exactly. Glitterati Oct 2012 #120

Hang on a second - "The Pundits on MSNBC all thought Obama won"? bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #29

That's what I saw as well n/t Glitterati Oct 2012 #32

K & R. n/t FSogol Oct 2012 #26

And they're willing to accept aggression as credibilty rocktivity Oct 2012 #27

Jim Lehrer? n/t xocet Oct 2012 #31

I stand corrected -- JIM Lerher rocktivity Oct 2012 #88

Thanks for the video - Tom Lehrer's work is so funny.... xocet Oct 2012 #98

EXACTLY ^^^^ LovingA2andMI Oct 2012 #37

A hearty K&R BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #38

Im mad MissNostalgia Oct 2012 #39

Rmoney plan baffle them with bullshit. Historic NY Oct 2012 #41

Spot on. Wednesdays Oct 2012 #44

We didn't "declare" unhinged lying as winning Doctor_J Oct 2012 #46

I have found a bright spot! byoung6 Oct 2012 #52

K & R malaise Oct 2012 #53

ProSense, you are wrong. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2012 #54

Agreed. Obama looked like an adjunct and Romney like a CEO. Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #64

Wow. You must like CEOs who lie on a constant basis... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #105

No ProSense Oct 2012 #80

polls are a mere snapshot of a small group of people. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2012 #139

Mitt was Speaking in Tongues bucolic_frolic Oct 2012 #55

re:People are so proud to declare unhinged lying as winning. Lowering standards. allan01 Oct 2012 #57

Amen. Let the puking commence. ancianita Oct 2012 #58

I don't get the whole [he won on style] nonsense. Norrin Radd Oct 2012 #60

Today, the polls are closer and Rmoney's base is energized Doctor_J Oct 2012 #70

Challengers always get a bounce. The faux fawning Norrin Radd Oct 2012 #131

"Fast talking bullshit" indeed. hifiguy Oct 2012 #62

Thanks for posting!! ailsagirl Oct 2012 #65

No, we are ashamed to say that the lies weren't called out, allowing them to grow legs. nt LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #66

I'm not ashamed to say I agree with you --- Obama missed about 4-5 chances to call bullshit... RiverStone Oct 2012 #99

That is very true. I just don't buy the whole "oh he *meant* to do that" meme. LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #106

". When will American culture stop accepting mediocrity and incompetence, and start valuing reason a pangaia Oct 2012 #67

When we take the media back Doctor_J Oct 2012 #71

+1000000000000000000000000000000000 treestar Oct 2012 #68

I like to think of our President as a classic Leo "the lion" figure. Harriety Oct 2012 #76

Too bad our President can't dreampunk Oct 2012 #84

kr warrior1 Oct 2012 #85

It's time for President Obama to say "Mitt, you're lying!" Blue Owl Oct 2012 #94

Then, lets dump the debates joeglow3 Oct 2012 #100

I don't... DirtyDawg Oct 2012 #101

Quite a few of those folks are on this board..... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #102

standards lowered for future Idiocracy lunasun Oct 2012 #107

Thank you, ProSense.. got to be Cha Oct 2012 #110

well it seems that "unhinged lying" is now a favorite american pastime newspeak Oct 2012 #112

Our national discourse has been systematically dumbed down for decades! LongTomH Oct 2012 #114

Yet some are tripping over themselves to help it along. n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #122

And, some are busting ass to stop it. Glitterati Oct 2012 #123

Oh no. You can't do that. Jakes Progress Oct 2012 #133

Declaring Romney the winner is not "busting ass to stop it." ProSense Oct 2012 #134

Please Glitterati Oct 2012 #136

"find anywhere that I said Romney was the winner. " ProSense Oct 2012 #137

You GO! Glitterati Oct 2012 #138

amen identify Oct 2012 #127

2 wins daybranch Oct 2012 #128

I'm amazed that one of the first thing Mitt plans to do as President toddwv Oct 2012 #130

Why do so many Americans admire people based upon their wealth PA Democrat Oct 2012 #132