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jackbenimble

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100. Only the first round.

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:21 PM

Oct 2012

I think this round was good for information gathering for the Obama team. If he had come off as too forceful he would have turned some people off. Now that the tone has been set I fully expect the next two, and the VP debate to push the edges a little more.

Speaking only for myself, with all the build up of expectations I kind of expected to see Obama come out swinging and romney throwing out a lot of zingers. Neither really happened. But if you look at the second to last time romney got to speak he was all over the place throwing out keywords that didn't really fit the topic. That combined with him looking like a school boy when he would find something to respond to a point Obama made tells me he didn't get to follow his plan. He must have had a list of stuff he was supposed to work in and I doubt he got to do many of them. That's a win in my book.

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Let's be freaking honest, damn it [View all] demwing Oct 2012 OP

Thanks. Wise words. nt Chorophyll Oct 2012 #1

finally . . . the voice of reason! fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #2

My gosh, I think you gave the best summing up of the night WI_DEM Oct 2012 #3

The voice of reason.... snacker Oct 2012 #4

absolutely - to make Bid Ed happy - Obama would've had to alienate voters he needs Coexist Oct 2012 #5

Eh. I think he could have kicked Romney's ass more. randome Oct 2012 #13

I don't feel good Mojorabbit Oct 2012 #136

Must Realize that the Incumbent Always has a first debate disadvantage Xyzse Oct 2012 #6

Well said. VenusRising Oct 2012 #7

This is the first post I've read on DU about the debate... TroglodyteScholar Oct 2012 #8

A big K&R for reason!! n/t beac Oct 2012 #9

That was the best debate I've ever seen from Romney. And Obama's worst ever LittleBlue Oct 2012 #10

I want to ad this - be your own political tire kicker demwing Oct 2012 #11

But as many football fans know well jimlup Oct 2012 #12

The lasting impressions marions ghost Oct 2012 #14

I didn't watch the debate to hear the President pontificate. russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #15

Nicely stated. n/t gkhouston Oct 2012 #16

But whatever Romney gained, is going to start falling apart as pundits rip him to bits Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #17

that sounds about right fishwax Oct 2012 #18

Well said awake Oct 2012 #19

Yep. It's hard to counter the Gish Gallop. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #20

Thanks for introducing me to the Gish Gallop NBachers Oct 2012 #54

Problem is that Obama seemed .. Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #21

oh I couldn't disagree more demwing Oct 2012 #23

Did you read the post to which you responded? Doctor_J Oct 2012 #84

Thank you for pointing that out. Myrina Oct 2012 #86

Hanging his head? jackbenimble Oct 2012 #102

Thanks for pointing that out :) demwing Oct 2012 #109

Yes I read it, all the way to the end demwing Oct 2012 #101

Such as here: demwing Oct 2012 #99

A game changer? Indpndnt Oct 2012 #42

THANK YOU. Agree 100%. klook Oct 2012 #123

Agreed! Mitt was haried, panicky, crude, rude and socially unacceptable last night rustydog Oct 2012 #129

I agree... whathehell Oct 2012 #77

Exactly....nailed it. zellie Oct 2012 #80

Obama seemed more presidential. badhair77 Oct 2012 #22

Unfortunately SLCLiberal Oct 2012 #68

Do you have a link to that? Blanks Oct 2012 #134

I agree with you completely..nt. Stuart G Oct 2012 #24

After hyperventilating for the last hour, I'm ready to be talked off the ledge. chalky Oct 2012 #25

Now just wait for the Team Obama commercials demwing Oct 2012 #26

That's right---Romney was trying to provoke Angry Black Man, and he failed. msanthrope Oct 2012 #27

oh, you're right, I know... it's just that Obama could have won renate Oct 2012 #28

exactly mrs_p Oct 2012 #29

However Mellow56 Oct 2012 #30

You're right about Fox viewers demwing Oct 2012 #32

Thanks for putting that image in my head. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #43

confident and in control? BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #75

Romney did mess up big time. Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #31

Please Julien Sorel Oct 2012 #33

Right! Indpndnt Oct 2012 #48

Yes. let's look. Julien Sorel Oct 2012 #70

If all you're out to do is win one debate, you're missing the point, as well. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #72

not energetic and motivated to begin with DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #79

Funny Mellow56 Oct 2012 #34

The Fire Mellow56 Oct 2012 #35

I agree , I think our expectations were so high that although Obama did well he didn't do as well as Demonaut Oct 2012 #36

Mitt looked like an angry, condescending old white man. He made my skin crawl. LittlestStar Oct 2012 #37

I finally had to turn it off---his "performance" sickened me young_at_heart Oct 2012 #38

Looks cunning Mellow56 Oct 2012 #39

Some people Mellow56 Oct 2012 #40

I didn't watch the debates.... lexw Oct 2012 #41

I dare everyone to watch it again on c-span defacto7 Oct 2012 #44

Agreed, it was a bad night for Obama but not even close to a game changer Bjorn Against Oct 2012 #45

Go back, not so far back....... suston96 Oct 2012 #46

it might have moved one state NC, but I doubt that. grantcart Oct 2012 #47

i agree but... Mothdust Oct 2012 #49

Romney's biggest weakness is likeability bhikkhu Oct 2012 #50

Agree. hay rick Oct 2012 #62

You must live in a blue state. Jakes Progress Oct 2012 #51

I live in Michigan DissidentVoice Oct 2012 #83

I look forward to round two. AND three. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #52

Unfortunately ...... Obama did lose. flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #53

Debate Report Card flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #55

Chris Matthews - I have never agreed with you more than tonight !! flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #56

Why Mr. President Why ???? flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #57

Romney LIED repeatedly and still won the debate. Go figure !! flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #58

yeah in what world is the winner brightertomorrow Oct 2012 #73

It is in the world where... Springslips Oct 2012 #94

Mr. President, Please FIRE your entire Debating Advisory Crew and hire the folks at MSNBC immediate flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #59

I agree with your assessment BainsBane Oct 2012 #60

Report Card II flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #61

Anyway you look at it .... flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #63

OMG - My worst fears came true. Obama played safe. Bad choice. flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #64

As bad as Obama was ............ does it change my vote? Heck No ...... BUT .... flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #65

Bottom Line: flying-skeleton Oct 2012 #66

Mr OBama look too tired mshasta Oct 2012 #67

We know Romney mstinamotorcity2 Oct 2012 #69

If I was a Wall Street banker Meandering1 Oct 2012 #71

This was not a game changer because it is not a freakin' game. ancianita Oct 2012 #74

Was Obama REALLY so bad KinMd Oct 2012 #76

pretty much the subject of my OP demwing Oct 2012 #78

And the take away... Javaman Oct 2012 #81

President Obama was too nice DissidentVoice Oct 2012 #82

Romney had one other big goal that he didn't meet gollygee Oct 2012 #85

Hmmm...think I disagree demwing Oct 2012 #87

I've seen on the news regularly that his campaign was trying to "humanize" him gollygee Oct 2012 #88

lol, that's why candidates have advisors right? demwing Oct 2012 #93

Obama has got to get tough sevenseas Oct 2012 #89

Good points. bigwillq Oct 2012 #90

People are falling for MSM manipulation. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #91

Romney in the first Presidential debate: porphyrian Oct 2012 #92

Not a Game Changer OLDMDDEM Oct 2012 #95

I'm questioning whether I watched the same debate as others? nachosgrande Oct 2012 #96

Yes, Rmoney won the debate, but he didn't Don Draper Oct 2012 #97

Ryan-Biden debate Mayflower1 Oct 2012 #103

"Biden is pretty prone to gaffs" demwing Oct 2012 #107

Also, Biden is substantially more likable. Chan790 Oct 2012 #112

Romney said Obama was a liar marlakay Oct 2012 #98

Only the first round. jackbenimble Oct 2012 #100

Rob-me was on steroids or adderal or something. Have you ever seen Nitwitt like that before? He lies judesedit Oct 2012 #104

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #105

As soon as I saw Romney's eyes, I knew he was on something. He was actually trying to keep them smal judesedit Oct 2012 #106

Obama looked distracted and bored. spiderpig Oct 2012 #108

Assuming we know what "game" he was playing demwing Oct 2012 #111

I hope you're right. spiderpig Oct 2012 #116

Romney reminded me of the stereotypical car salesman demwing Oct 2012 #117

"Obama got off a few great sound-bites." I missed them. Could you give an example? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #110

Sure, but I'm not going to be a great quote hound demwing Oct 2012 #113

Only half right I'm afraid. FBaggins Oct 2012 #114

I'd agree, if Romenty were ahead demwing Oct 2012 #119

That isn't how it works. FBaggins Oct 2012 #122

I think you're wrong demwing Oct 2012 #124

I agree. nm rhett o rick Oct 2012 #115

Romney debate bounce fades fast. The stench of his lies endures & irritates the nostrils of voters. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #118

EXACTLY. Intrade has regained much of what was lost demwing Oct 2012 #120

Thank you! Perfect imagery! Indpndnt Oct 2012 #121

Good post, all good points Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #125

Ah, sanity. I completely agree. JaneyVee Oct 2012 #126

Rope-a-Dope danclinger1000 Oct 2012 #127

Agree. tnvoter Oct 2012 #128

There were low expectations for Romney to begin with Harry Monroe Oct 2012 #130

This is a good non-ridiculous analysis. D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #131

catchphrase: "He's out of touch" Peace Yogi Oct 2012 #132

I didn't think Romney did well AT ALL LittleGirl Oct 2012 #133

Nobody remembers the first debate after the last debate. JohnnyRingo Oct 2012 #135

Sorry, but LynnTTT Oct 2012 #137

So true kimbutgar Oct 2012 #138

Calling MSNBC!! scgrad96 Oct 2012 #139

There is no talk on any of the news humbled_opinion Oct 2012 #140

While I haven't read through the thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #141