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wnylib

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70. I did not see anything in the OP that

Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:35 PM

Dec 2020

advocated for letting the right attempt a coup. Don't see how anyone can interpret it that way.

What I read in the OP was a factual explanation of law that shows why we can't legally refuse to seat duly elected representatives. Following the law is not weakness. It is upholding democracy. It is not illegal to file cases in court, or to support court cases. The case might be foolish and irritating, but it is not illegal. However, it would be illegal to refuse to seat them because they spoke in support of a legal court filing.

There are other things we can and should do. Some have already been mentioned in this thread. We can call them out and publicly humiliate them. We can assure that the democracy that they tried to destroy remains a democracy by adhering to the principles of democracy in preserving their right to be seated as duly elected representatives. And then we can rub their noses in the example we have set in being better than them.

As for the people like Lindsey Graham, who tried to pressure Georgia to violate the law and overthrow their election, that IS illegal, AFAIK, so we can call for him to be investigated and charged.

One other thing we can do is stop whining that Dems are weak and ineffective. I read many posts to that effect during the impeachment proceedings because Trump's enablers ignored subpoenas. And yet, look what we accomplished with that impeachment. We stopped Trump in his tracks from using false slurs against Biden because the impeachment proceedings exposed the slurs as untrue. This enabled Biden to become our candidate and then our next president, unseating the vile scum in the White House. Trump appeared to win battles when nobody would testify and when the Senate would not hold a trial or convict him. But in the end, we won the war and are now kicking Trump's ass out.

That's not weakness. That is strength that comes from hard work, perseverance, and keeping the faith.

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We do a disservice to Democrats by demanding Pelosi deny seats to 126 GOP Members [View all] StarfishSaver Dec 2020 OP

Thank you! (As always). Much respect and be well. (Nt) FreepFryer Dec 2020 #1

Really. If this were dooable, the Republicans would have exercised it many times before. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #22

Yes, in a heartbeat PatSeg Dec 2020 #26

So DownriverDem Dec 2020 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author DownriverDem Dec 2020 #47

We favor democracy so we should not try to defeat it Cicada Dec 2020 #2

Pelosi isn't going to exercise that, but what concerns me is rethugs trying to deny presidency to still_one Dec 2020 #3

Why does it concern you? brooklynite Dec 2020 #14

Because of the propaganda effect it will have, not that the action will be effective still_one Dec 2020 #20

Right - Calling for it and not doing it exboyfil Dec 2020 #4

Exactly! StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #7

Well said. mia Dec 2020 #5

Context of this seems almost identical MyNameGoesHere Dec 2020 #6

My earlier post was hidden StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #8

Thank you for your solid analysis and your common sense. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #9

Thanks. Firestorm49 Dec 2020 #10

Thank you for this. dware Dec 2020 #11

Instead of criticizing us why don't you throw down some solutions. Hotler Dec 2020 #12

Why do you think this is criticism of you? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #13

Not me. Us equals DU. nt. Hotler Dec 2020 #16

If all you got from my OP is a false impression that it's a criticism StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #17

There isn't alot the House can do, dware Dec 2020 #15

There is no solution, other than "vote them out in 2022" Tarc Dec 2020 #28

The OP isn't about DU. yardwork Dec 2020 #32

They should definitely be censured. tavernier Dec 2020 #95

Excellent post. Very informative and sensible. panader0 Dec 2020 #18

Agree 100% SCantiGOP Dec 2020 #19

And this is how Republicans will win the House in 2022..... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #21

Yep newdayneeded Dec 2020 #27

Welcome to DU, newdayneeded! calimary Dec 2020 #48

Thanks for the welcome! newdayneeded Dec 2020 #53

Now THERE'S an idea! calimary Dec 2020 #60

I did not see anything in the OP that wnylib Dec 2020 #70

Very well said, thank you! scarletwoman Dec 2020 #73

Thank you! StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #75

And thank you for providing factual wnylib Dec 2020 #79

Republican's would win 300 seats if we refused to sit them for merely filing a lawsuit Polybius Dec 2020 #57

They didn't even file a lawsuit... They just submitted an amicus brief StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #62

What action are you advocating? GeorgeGist Dec 2020 #23

Thank you. zentrum Dec 2020 #24

Thank you for clarifying Freddie Dec 2020 #25

These people are trying seta1950 Dec 2020 #29

Excellent post. Makes me proud to be a member of the clear thinking party!!! nt LAS14 Dec 2020 #30

The Constitution is not as rigid and inflexible as it is presented here bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #31

"New loopholes and interpretations" StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #33

How could the House even establish which party was in the majority stopbush Dec 2020 #34

Nancy's gonna do what Nancy's gotta do. She doesn't need any protection, she's a pro! Cozmo Dec 2020 #35

Sanity prevails wryter2000 Dec 2020 #36

Lol! StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #37

Well thought out well reasoned argument papa3times Dec 2020 #38

Rep. Pascrell has done us a great service by keeping their "seditious abuse of the judiciary" Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2020 #39

I disagree StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #41

Thank you. Clear & logical, as always. CaptainTruth Dec 2020 #40

That is very cogent and wise. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #42

This is perhaps the best and most thoughtful post I've ever read here. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #43

Politics is theatre. Democrats wringing their hands isn't engaging Bobstandard Dec 2020 #44

Yes. Writing stern letters of disapproval to Mitch McConnell about Republican Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2020 #45

Why do you assume that the Democrats don't engage in a futile act, they're likely to do nothing? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #49

making noise, even if it's ignorant and inept? stopdiggin Dec 2020 #67

No noise makes us dupes Bobstandard Dec 2020 #99

Very sensible cp Dec 2020 #50

Headline you'll never see bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #51

I don't base my legal analysis on how Trump and the Republicans are characterized by the media StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #54

Desperation drives people to nonsensical Hail Marys grantcart Dec 2020 #52

Of course Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #58

So if we have the votes we should pack the courts because it is legal and ethical grantcart Dec 2020 #61

The courts have been expanded before. Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #69

No, packing the courts is not another one. kcr Dec 2020 #76

She may have to seat them MFM008 Dec 2020 #55

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter what any of us think Bettie Dec 2020 #56

That's the truth about elected Republicans. Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #59

In a general sense, Democrats care about our lives Bettie Dec 2020 #63

disagree stopdiggin Dec 2020 #74

Well maybe you are "somebody" Bettie Dec 2020 #89

Probably true legally, but the GOP candidate for Governor here wants to recount as well. plimsoll Dec 2020 #64

I would suggest LPBBEAR Dec 2020 #65

What does that have to do with whether Pelosi has the constitutional authority deny them seats? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #66

They did more than that BGBD Dec 2020 #68

Questioning the legitimacy of the election process isn't sedition and it isn't a crime StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #71

Don't be so sure. BGBD Dec 2020 #82

I'm quite sure StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #83

It does BGBD Dec 2020 #84

Some House rules cannot be changed by simple majority StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #85

Rules for each new congress BGBD Dec 2020 #86

Whatever StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #88

Just give them seats in their own special Caucus called the Anti-Democracy Caucus or ooky Dec 2020 #72

Big thanks! 100% We need stop calling for stopdiggin Dec 2020 #77

Many thanks for your well-reasoned, and articulate post. It's much appreciated. scarletwoman Dec 2020 #78

➡️ "it is not within the power of the Speaker or the House to unilaterally make that determination" Budi Dec 2020 #80

The Republican party became the party of extremists by demands for ideological purity. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #81

Kick! Hekate Dec 2020 #87

Thanks, Starfishsaver. Much appreciated. Nt Hortensis Dec 2020 #90

Imo there should be other reasons why someone should not be seated Meowmee Dec 2020 #91

All it would take is a constitutional amendment. onenote Dec 2020 #93

Yes I know that Meowmee Dec 2020 #97

Kick--everyone should read this. panader0 Dec 2020 #92

Thank you Pacifist Patriot Dec 2020 #94

Excellent post. K&R. scipan Dec 2020 #96

People need to ask themselves WWND more often. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #98