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ProfessorGAC

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65. I'm With You

Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:52 PM

Dec 2020

This is not a vaccine for an illness that affects a million people with a death rate of 1%. Or a flu that infects 50 million, but only kills 1 in 4,000
This thing is killing 2% and it's spreading rapidly with 15 million already infected.
The risk analysis that would typically be prudently followed is based upon a different level of risk than currently experienced.
And, I don't believe that all the researchers & developers were motivated by other than helping the public.
It wasn't rushed for any other reason than we are in a crisis of a proportion we have not experienced in over a century.

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Why a University of Michigan professor voted 'No' on Pfizer's COVID vaccine [View all] LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 OP

The FDA Poobah was saying today that anyone allergic to any of the components of the vaccine should cwydro Dec 2020 #1

PEG. LisaL Dec 2020 #5

I don't know what that is. cwydro Dec 2020 #31

That would be... "polyethylene glycol" for those who aren't good with initials. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #34

PEG, Polyethylene glycol...aka Miralax. roamer65 Dec 2020 #52

If they list all the ingredients on one vaccine, the prone-to-panic public AllyCat Dec 2020 #7

So she doesn't think the vaccine is "safe and effective" but wants the vaccine released anyway? mathematic Dec 2020 #2

Re-Read.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #6

I re-read the part you bolded: Dr. Fuller says it would be better to release the vaccine gradually mathematic Dec 2020 #12

Considering we don't have enough of the vaccine for everyone we are releasing it gradually. LisaL Dec 2020 #21

+1, Red Don's screw up her actually helped vs hurt ... dumb luck uponit7771 Dec 2020 #32

Safe for whom zipplewrath Dec 2020 #20

Great Point! LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #25

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2020 #33

Well they ducked losing to the Buckeyes so she still wanted a big loss for the Big Blue underpants Dec 2020 #3

Huh? LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #8

No I'm an Ohio State fan just making a joke. underpants Dec 2020 #16

Buckeyes zipplewrath Dec 2020 #23

It's a nut underpants Dec 2020 #51

I'll take hers, Corgigal Dec 2020 #4

Two more months of controlled studies? LisaL Dec 2020 #9

The Initial Sample Group.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #14

I realize that. My point is, how many people will die during those two months and how many get LisaL Dec 2020 #17

The risks of Covid-19 are much greater than any risks in the vaccine, IMO DrToast Dec 2020 #28

With 2500 people dying a day... Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #49

Great. There are plenty of other folks that look at the risk/benefit analysis and AllyCat Dec 2020 #10

Those who question the Scientific Method.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #18

These vaccines still followed the scientific method. AllyCat Dec 2020 #36

Actually, 14 Scientists from the FDA decided this.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #39

What about all the scientists who worked to bring this about? AllyCat Dec 2020 #42

There are upwards of 9 companies that are working on Vaccines for COVID LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #44

I think risk management plays a strong role here. Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #50

There do not have to be a "Risk of Life" LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #57

There is no proof of a 100% effective treatment. Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #59

Was it said that the Cocktail was 100% Treatment? LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #63

With all due respect.... Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #72

I'm With You ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #65

This is a weird post. Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #74

So the good doctor recommends that the vaccine should be given gradually, SWBTATTReg Dec 2020 #11

There is a Treatment by the way.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #24

I heard estimates that this particular treatment that rudi / trump / etc. costs upwards of $100-$200 SWBTATTReg Dec 2020 #27

Exactly!!! LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #37

I read there were 108 treatments and US govt bought all of them. LizBeth Dec 2020 #38

How Many "Friends of Trump" have had COVID.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #41

Three we know, Trump, Christie and Guiliani. n LizBeth Dec 2020 #45

And Carson.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #68

Yep yep. There were some wealthy donors too, that got sick. LizBeth Dec 2020 #71

The antibodies are expensive and difficult to make. LisaL Dec 2020 #40

That treatment also has potential unknown side effects Meowmee Dec 2020 #75

Because Trump's admin is so incompetent, it will be released relatively gradually in the US, rather tblue37 Dec 2020 #13

Yep. It will be pretty slow. LisaL Dec 2020 #19

Exactly!!! LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #30

Should have vaccinated Nursing Home staff and left the patients alone, Blue_true Dec 2020 #48

Of Course That POS Trump will.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #58

The UK is also our Guinea pig. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #15

I'd wondered about the four nays. ucrdem Dec 2020 #22

What is the status of the five states that said they needed to have their own independent approval ? MichMan Dec 2020 #26

My governor in Oregon marlakay Dec 2020 #35

K&R, there is ONLY 2 MONTHS OF SAFETY STUDY for the current vaccines. I 100% agree with this uponit7771 Dec 2020 #29

That is what she is stating. LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #43

My understanding is we're supposed to get the data for the sample group this week uponit7771 Dec 2020 #46

Thanks! LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #69

Sanjay Gupta was explaining this on CNN DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #56

Great Point!!!! LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #67

Now that the clinical trial is over, the question DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #79

A much better example of groupthink kcr Dec 2020 #47

I think Moderna's vaccine will get a stronger vote of approval. roamer65 Dec 2020 #53

What is the reason to believe it's a bit safer? LisaL Dec 2020 #62

A report I heard on the news that it had less side effects during the clinical trial. roamer65 Dec 2020 #78

It is a possibly..... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #66

Frankly, I cannot find fault with her reasoning and logic. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #54

+1, honestly I don't trust Trump. I can imagine him doing something stupid to make people uponit7771 Dec 2020 #77

I have been dealing with a lot when it comes to the virus JonLP24 Dec 2020 #55

Agree.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #60

Her reason may be reasonable, but her math sucks. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2020 #61

Scroll up... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #64

Have you ever performed a safety risk analysis? Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #73

Totally fair point. If the pandemic was handled properly in the first place, we'd have the luxury... Blasphemer Dec 2020 #70

My question about it. moondust Dec 2020 #76

Wow. An editorial. By one author. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #80