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pawismom

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51. So true!

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:39 AM

Dec 2020

AOC reminds me more and more of Trump. Me,me,me. She truly believes that she is the one with all the questions and answers. No one ever thought about climate change, racial equality, women's rights etc. until she arrived. If she truly wants to be a leader then it might do her well to sit back and observe, study and learn what and why Pelosi and Shumer are where they are and how they operate. Just because the media gives you a ready outlet doesn't mean you have to use it. Timing is an art. We might of won the Presidency decidedly but we were lucky to hang on to the House and made no progress in the Senate. I don't think she and the squad did anything to help in this regard. They may have hurt; don't know. Right now we just have to give Biden, Harris, Shumer and Pelosi support and time just to straighten the ship. Like we have to do after every Republican administration. Republicans will suddenly become deficit hawks again and fight every nomination, policy and initiative Biden asks for. While we all want progressive action across the board we have to have the numbers. Watch Stacey Abrahms, she is getting it done. And by the way, other than being old what exactly is it about Pelosi that she has a problem with?

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Ocasio-Cortez takes direct shot at Pelosi and Schumer [View all] JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 OP

she doesnt speak for me..never will. samnsara Dec 2020 #1

I am sure she is fine with that! Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #18

Well, if she can't get support from the Democratic mainstream, she can't win. Hortensis Dec 2020 #76

There are worse things than being a lifer in the House...I don't see her winning statewide in Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #113

Me either! William769 Dec 2020 #191

Every single day....... Kingofalldems Dec 2020 #2

After still living for 4 years of tRump... FarPoint Dec 2020 #3

There must always be a balance between stability and change. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2020 #34

Glad someone else thinks that Bettie Dec 2020 #146

This is not the time to change leadership. We have had to work hard just to maintain our Democracy. katmondoo Dec 2020 #4

So true! pawismom Dec 2020 #51

I don't see Republican folks doing this to their own.... secondwind Dec 2020 #5

Republican folks like and support Mitch McConnell. Autumn Dec 2020 #11

True. We don't like Mitch McConnell onenote Dec 2020 #25

I'm not mistaken at all since didn't say that. nt Autumn Dec 2020 #38

I'm not convinced they actually like McConnell. Silence isn't always agreement. I think they are Vivienne235729 Dec 2020 #193

McConnell was elected to the Senate in 1984. Long before the fascists took over and they Autumn Dec 2020 #195

Give it a rest, AOC. MineralMan Dec 2020 #6

you should realize neither Politico or Intercept provided any quotes supporting their premises bigtree Dec 2020 #36

My admonition to AOC stands. MineralMan Dec 2020 #37

yeah? bigtree Dec 2020 #39

Opinions are like farts. MineralMan Dec 2020 #40

where did she make an antagonistic remark? bigtree Dec 2020 #43

Yep. As for your fart analogy, consider this: if three people are on an elevator and someone farts.. George II Dec 2020 #84

Very true. MineralMan Dec 2020 #92

+1000 Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #91

When do we need this? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #60

It Seems to Me that the Replacements Are Self-Grooming MineralMan Dec 2020 #62

Self grooming. ancianita Dec 2020 #122

+1 - You're right--it's never the time. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2020 #136

It is, apparently, NEVER the right time Bettie Dec 2020 #154

Never treestar Dec 2020 #163

Bingo, MM. kstewart33 Dec 2020 #96

More Politico Dems in Disarray BS Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #7

yup. she just came out saying there shouldnt be a forced vote on m4a. mopinko Dec 2020 #21

This 👆🏼 UpInArms Dec 2020 #22

All she said was that the Democratic party needs new leadership Yavin4 Dec 2020 #103

Exactly! Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #124

According to the OP not just new leadership but younger: George II Dec 2020 #194

it's an undeniable fact bigtree Dec 2020 #8

She has much to offer, a lot of natural "gifts." She also has a potentially self-defeating ego hlthe2b Dec 2020 #9

It appears that AOC is feeling some pressure from the Left: TexasTowelie Dec 2020 #10

Oh... look who we're talking about. Zoonart Dec 2020 #12

PE Joe Biden is the Leader of the Dem Cha Dec 2020 #13

She offers challenging discussion. I think current Democratic leadership is equipped for that. ancianita Dec 2020 #14

We are barely hanging onto the House and trying to win the Senate. We need unity not endless Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #119

The time before the 117th is the time for discussing leadership. One opinion is not endless division ancianita Dec 2020 #130

Exactly! treestar Dec 2020 #164

I hadn't heard of this magazine. CrispyQ Dec 2020 #128

Happy holidays! We should be celebrating the 35 Democrats it lists who WON all across the USA! ancianita Dec 2020 #131

Content is not available right now Bettie Dec 2020 #156

That's gonna trigger some folks lol nt liskddksil Dec 2020 #15

Looking at the intercept article they don't quote AOC saying those words, I'll wait uponit7771 Dec 2020 #16

She's spot-on. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #17

+1 ancianita Dec 2020 #47

I agree with her, keithsw Dec 2020 #19

AOC seems to have no problem with Bernie Sanders, though. He's old. betsuni Dec 2020 #20

PE Joe Biden got 81 Million Votes Cha Dec 2020 #24

I don't understand the obsession with leadership. betsuni Dec 2020 #26

Especially if you are supporting someone like Sanders who has very little accomplishment JI7 Dec 2020 #107

It's really weird. betsuni Dec 2020 #116

I won't give him, just his ideas, credit for getting 35 new democratic socialists into Congress. ancianita Dec 2020 #144

What progressive planks did Bernie's team put in the platform? betsuni Dec 2020 #147

I don't believe you don't know, but I'll go along, since DU discussed this through the general. ancianita Dec 2020 #152

Still don't know. betsuni Dec 2020 #155

Really. Can you link the public option and Green New Deal sites under Obama? ancianita Dec 2020 #159

Still don't know. betsuni Dec 2020 #161

Well, ancianita Dec 2020 #168

Obama ran on a public option and Green New Deal: betsuni Dec 2020 #174

Oops. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #196

It's a shame more people don't know Democratic policies. betsuni Dec 2020 #198

Okay, coach. ancianita Dec 2020 #210

No, he ran on a public option, as did Clinton, and a Green New Deal. betsuni Dec 2020 #211

Bernie got the public option enacted into law? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #203

Were they others' ideas prior to Sanders? Many of his proposals have been on record from others.... George II Dec 2020 #190

"Old" not the issue. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #27

There are plenty of young Democrats. betsuni Dec 2020 #29

Exactly. still_one Dec 2020 #32

Absolutely it is. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #35

No. betsuni Dec 2020 #41

"They do not vote for policy" Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #46

What policies did Republicans vote for? betsuni Dec 2020 #48

Republicans voted for a cult of personality. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #150

"Progressives" ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #175

All studies show that? melman Dec 2020 #50

You know my greatest hits. betsuni Dec 2020 #55

So one book is all studies melman Dec 2020 #82

Political science. betsuni Dec 2020 #86

It does not follow LanternWaste Dec 2020 #185

Nancy Pelosi is not center-right. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #123

I expect the worst case scenario in '22. betsuni Dec 2020 #132

Old IS the issue. When one complains that the party had "failed at grooming the next generation of.. George II Dec 2020 #139

What bothers me about both articles is Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #169

Yes, it's a Politico article. Cobble together a few 3rd hand rumors, imply (or even say outright).. George II Dec 2020 #172

AOC seems to have no problem with Nancy either. I won't say the "She's old" part though. Autumn Dec 2020 #44

The article is about old and new leadership. betsuni Dec 2020 #49

The headline is, the article seems to be a bit different. Bernie also isn't Senate leadership. nt Autumn Dec 2020 #52

He is the leader of his movement (Justice Democrats/Our Revolution). betsuni Dec 2020 #58

If you read the article you will find that it's about Democratic leadership. Autumn Dec 2020 #69

In the Senate. nt Autumn Dec 2020 #73

No. AOC: "I do think that we need new leadership in the Democratic Party." betsuni Dec 2020 #98

And Speaker Pelosi seems to have no problem with AOC, either. ancianita Dec 2020 #53

Agree, there seems to be no problems between them and a mutual respect. Unlike Manchin's Autumn Dec 2020 #66

He's got insecurity issues, ancianita Dec 2020 #74

That he does, very insecure as most small minded men are. Autumn Dec 2020 #80

Yeah. She's also not saying he should be the Senate Dem leadership. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #61

Why would anyone assume new leaders aren't being groomed? betsuni Dec 2020 #67

Because someone in the party is indicating that they aren't? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #90

Doesn't make it true. betsuni Dec 2020 #101

Doesn't make it not true. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #141

See comment #139. betsuni Dec 2020 #142

Could you link it? I looked and can't find it. Seriously. ancianita Dec 2020 #153

Here: betsuni Dec 2020 #157

He's a LOT older than Schumer and only one year younger than Pelosi. George II Dec 2020 #85

I went to college with someone exactly like AOC. madaboutharry Dec 2020 #23

That was probably me. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #30

You misinterpreted my post. madaboutharry Dec 2020 #33

You misinterpreted my response. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #42

The big tent has been telling the liberal wing of the party to sit down & be quiet for decades. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2020 #118

+1 Bettie Dec 2020 #151

Yes. But not yet. flibbitygiblets Dec 2020 #28

How old is Bernie Sanders again? At this specific time, is this really helpful? The fact is that still_one Dec 2020 #31

I doubt that AOC could win a statewide election. MineralMan Dec 2020 #45

No doubt. It would be interesting to see how she would do if she ran for Mayor of NY still_one Dec 2020 #54

I'd give her and the 35 other just-elected Democratic Socialists more time. They'll get there and ancianita Dec 2020 #72

How dare we have dissent within the Democratic Party?! Yeehah Dec 2020 #56

Just because some disagree Cha Dec 2020 #57

I agree but AOC seems to catch a lot of hell around here for voicing her opinion jcgoldie Dec 2020 #59

Some disagree and some don't.. Cha Dec 2020 #65

I wonder why? BainsBane Dec 2020 #71

Or maybe there are other reasons as well... jcgoldie Dec 2020 #75

She is shitting all over an effective Democratic Speaker of the House BainsBane Dec 2020 #83

Wtf? jcgoldie Dec 2020 #88

Diversity of opinions can be a positive BainsBane Dec 2020 #94

Read the article jcgoldie Dec 2020 #97

try the first sentence BainsBane Dec 2020 #105

Nowhere in the article does she name them jcgoldie Dec 2020 #108

the interview is from the Intercept BainsBane Dec 2020 #117

Bullshit jcgoldie Dec 2020 #125

You have since said you were talking about sexism BainsBane Dec 2020 #129

Lol jcgoldie Dec 2020 #133

I imagine you're tired BainsBane Dec 2020 #135

AND people were responding to that headline BainsBane Dec 2020 #134

Excellent, your assessment is 100% accurate. Any questioning R B Garr Dec 2020 #149

" Unless, of course, you think we should obey AOC because of her appearance" melman Dec 2020 #104

Try to follow BainsBane Dec 2020 #106

I'm not having any trouble following melman Dec 2020 #115

there is a train of argument from the other poster BainsBane Dec 2020 #127

Another great post BB Gothmog Dec 2020 #158

Great post again, Bains. Interestingly, a lot of those AOC R B Garr Dec 2020 #183

+10000000 AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #204

Serious questions, Melman Cary Dec 2020 #167

Hey melman Dec 2020 #170

Nope Cary Dec 2020 #171

I see "IF" in your statement there, sir. George II Dec 2020 #192

So did Melman Cary Dec 2020 #197

My guess it is nope. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #201

I didn't accuse you of respecting fascism Cary Dec 2020 #173

Distraction with a strawman AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #205

So your answer is no Cary Dec 2020 #184

+++ sheshe2 Dec 2020 #199

Sexist as hell, too Sympthsical Dec 2020 #179

Yes it is melman Dec 2020 #181

strawman AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #206

The HISTORIC, first (and only) Female Democratic Speaker of the House. All I can say is... George II Dec 2020 #121

You are not allowed to disagree with AOC BainsBane Dec 2020 #68

I love the Dem Party.. Maverick Cha Dec 2020 #78

Yes ... the fan club tries to bite when any criticism is encountered AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #207

Maybe they should run BainsBane Dec 2020 #63

I'm not surprised you allow only two implicit options to your argument. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #186

I made my point Yeehah Dec 2020 #188

How dare we have an effective Speaker of the House BainsBane Dec 2020 #64

More divisive shit by a small minority to become a twitter sensation AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #70

We might recognize that we're not her intended audience, which is national young voters. ancianita Dec 2020 #77

Just because some group likes it is no reason to divide the party AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #87

She's not intending to divide anything. You keep using "divide the party."That's your interpretation ancianita Dec 2020 #100

Intra-party differences should be aired out and addressed in private AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #137

I hear you and disagree. That's exactly what Republicans do. We're transparent. ancianita Dec 2020 #140

Don't over react to this. Her comments don't shake the foundations of our democracy OR of our Party Tom Rinaldo Dec 2020 #79

Funny how age BainsBane Dec 2020 #89

Your comment is full of false assumptions Tom Rinaldo Dec 2020 #145

I think we do have younger leaders BainsBane Dec 2020 #177

I'm not going to click on the link. Did she offer any names for possible replacements? George II Dec 2020 #81

That she went to the Intercept speaks for itself frazzled Dec 2020 #95

From what I read on Twitter, she's not all that complementary toward Democrats. George II Dec 2020 #111

She's not wrong about how the party neglected grooming younger leaders. intheflow Dec 2020 #93

Goddamn I hate Politico ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #99

The Intercept directly attributes her comments BainsBane Dec 2020 #109

The intercept is more honest, which is crazy to me ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #120

Truth Out sheshe2 Dec 2020 #202

Do people here think that Pelosi (81) and Schumer (70) should be leaders forever? n/t Yavin4 Dec 2020 #102

They will be dead. No one is a leader forever. ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #112

Really, I honestly don't care AOC thinks. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #110

Maybe she wants to run against Chuck Schumer for Senate in 2022 JI7 Dec 2020 #114

I doubt she would win a primary. Running statewide is very different than running in a deep blue Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2020 #138

Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 #148

I LOL'd KG Dec 2020 #143

How about taking a direct shot treestar Dec 2020 #160

I agree... the dinosaurs need to go budkin Dec 2020 #162

I find it interesting that we have posters on DU mcar Dec 2020 #165

"far more time attacking Democrats than she ever does Republicans." melman Dec 2020 #166

I'd like to see the verification mcar Dec 2020 #176

+1000 Celerity Dec 2020 #189

I would place money on THIS guy being our next Speaker: George II Dec 2020 #178

Not taking that bet! Should we be surprised that it took 178 posts to see this? Bongo Prophet Dec 2020 #187

Totally agree on Schumer. Do not agree on Pelosi. BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #180

Well I like the say her name and they will come response here ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #182

Oh great... Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #200

Wow. LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #208

What Rep. Ocasio-Cortez is saying, is since they're not grooming *me*, KitSileya Dec 2020 #209