General Discussion

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)

154. That is understandable.

Reply to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #150)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:23 PM

Dec 2020

I think that people have been told that holding on to suspicions is damaging, and it surely can be. I think that people also like to avoid conflict.

The thing that makes liberals and conservatives different is the "open mind". We can retain skepticism, but when the evidence is convincing, then we change, where conservatives tend not to.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

303 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Steve Schmidt has been a Democrat for only a day and already.... [View all] George II Dec 2020 OP

Why are people so willing to overlook his egregious Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #1

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer? nt Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #4

I could accept that, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #5

He's been on the Never Trump Train all along, hasn't he? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2020 #266

And again, that's great Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #267

Absolutely Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2020 #268

Perfect example Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #283

'Best to have the camel in the tent pissing out, than pissing in' - LBJ empedocles Dec 2020 #6

Pragmatic advice indeed Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #79

Stop treating Politics like Religion JI7 Dec 2020 #7

The poltics of the Right ARE a religion Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #20

That's What Needs Fixing Roy Rolling Dec 2020 #77

I am not suggesting we form a cult on the left Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #82

Why are we willing to see a reformed attack dog as a friend by the fire, cayugafalls Dec 2020 #100

The trouble with a spy switching sides Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #108

Which is why the dog got the chance. You understood their past. cayugafalls Dec 2020 #114

I am not rubbing his nose in it, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #119

Got it and I agree. cayugafalls Dec 2020 #158

And thank you for your patient Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #163

I would not ever have a pit bull or other killer dog. No way would I ever trust them Dream Girl Dec 2020 #200

And if he is truly repentant of his previous ways Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #215

Clearly not to Steve Schmidt. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #128

Some religions allow confession. pennylane100 Dec 2020 #249

Yes, some do. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #257

I don't recall him dissing HRC. fleabiscuit Dec 2020 #254

No, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #256

Amen nt Tommymac Dec 2020 #33

+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #39

right. politics for most people is a choice you make, at the time. demigoddess Dec 2020 #235

Purity attitudes do not win in Novembers, or get legislation passed anytime. empedocles Dec 2020 #9

A demonstrated enemy who has shown he will knife his allies in the back when it becomes convenient Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #22

In this case YES Tommymac Dec 2020 #35

You lost me at Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #50

Unless you are so Far Left that you are ignoring us in the Center.... ahoysrcsm Dec 2020 #89

Ah, so I am an extremist Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #92

And you lost me at the word "enemy". AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #141

So, how would you characterize someone who has done Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #144

I'm done restating this. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #151

"repudiated his past allegiance to the GOP" melman Dec 2020 #155

Yep. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #168

Goalpost moved. ehrnst Dec 2020 #199

"his past ALLEGIANCE to the GOP", that's pretty clear, and he certainly has done that: George II Dec 2020 #204

Schmidt was like 11 years old when Reagan was elected. sheesh. fleabiscuit Dec 2020 #255

And I believe I spoke of support for Reagan's legacy Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #264

Here's Steve's self-congratulatory Repub-exit twitter thread melman Dec 2020 #269

It's really encouraging that you posted his tweet where he renounces his membership.... George II Dec 2020 #270

see post #155 melman Dec 2020 #271

That's what post #270 responds to, thank you. George II Dec 2020 #273

And this... melman Dec 2020 #274

As I said - reputiate/renounce. Whatever. I conducted two English lessons yesterday... George II Dec 2020 #275

I know you think you got a real bazinga situation here.. melman Dec 2020 #276

Nope, I certainly don't. But you rewriting your post (didn't check to see if you did so.... George II Dec 2020 #281

I do not Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #162

Agreed in most part . ... Iliyah Dec 2020 #60

And worked to get Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #95

I also welcome him. lkinwi Dec 2020 #97

Did those who were anti-union Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #109

Embrace . . . carefully empedocles Dec 2020 #44

Yep, all I am trying to get Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #76

Consiodering who his allies morphed into DFW Dec 2020 #64

I applaud him Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #66

Who did he knife in the back? Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #129

I believe that is the prevailing narrative on the Right Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #170

I call it not supporting a fascist takeover of the presidency and applaud Steve Schmidt for it. I Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #172

That's great Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #177

People always want to throw history at me...some I was there for...some I wasn't... Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #190

And I would point out that Gore actually won the election Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #227

And getting in beds of political convenience Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #226

why did jesus make paul an apostle? mopinko Dec 2020 #11

Not exactly a biblical scholar but I'm pretty sure Jesus had been gone a pretty good while..... jaxexpat Dec 2020 #21

Yeah, I was not going to get into that Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #101

And Paul brought us Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #98

well, yeah. my dad meant that it was a bad thing. mopinko Dec 2020 #99

Perhaps Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #103

Paul became a disciple of Jesus, not an apostle FakeNoose Dec 2020 #242

I'm pretty sure Paul counts as an apostle. Bucky Dec 2020 #278

Bill Murray is one of the ORIGINAL NRFPTP, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #288

It's quite unfair, but Murray missed out on being inducted into the TV Hall of Fame cause he wasn't Bucky Dec 2020 #294

There hasn't been such a steal of honor Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #295

Churchill once said no one rats from a ship twice Bucky Dec 2020 #277

Sadly it's not just him luv2fly Dec 2020 #13

He has been ripping on the entire GOP dansolo Dec 2020 #25

For at least 2 years. Tommymac Dec 2020 #36

Pretty much the same thing luv2fly Dec 2020 #123

Somehow that critical point is being ignored. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #152

Far be it for me to ignore mitigating evidence Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #289

Exactly. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #111

Nothing so zealous as a convert? Pacifist Patriot Dec 2020 #14

This is true, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #34

My husband was the same peggysue2 Dec 2020 #156

Exactly! Pacifist Patriot Dec 2020 #191

I think your attitude is wrong. madaboutharry Dec 2020 #15

+10,000 AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #26

Still waiting on his compete repudiation Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #30

Let us know exactly how many pounds of hamburger Loki Liesmith Dec 2020 #38

Oh please, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #124

Why the vendetta against someone who has shown he stands behind his beliefs? Tommymac Dec 2020 #41

Spare me the "Big Tent" argument Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #122

Who are you? pawismom Dec 2020 #59

Ah, I am no one, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #68

I had no right to judge you in any way. pawismom Dec 2020 #244

Judging others can be fraught with peril Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #258

How many pints of blood do you want? AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #118

I am not asking for blood Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #120

Whatever. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #136

Again, he is welcome to join the party Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #140

We're all well aware of his resume. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #142

I would disagree Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #145

Republicans had no problem embracing Sogo Dec 2020 #201

Different time, different people, different attitudes Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #290

Bingo. secondwind Dec 2020 #63

He also was paid by Republicans to do that job. summer_in_TX Dec 2020 #251

+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #253

Because politics is not about making friends Loki Liesmith Dec 2020 #37

Thank You. Tommymac Dec 2020 #45

Ah, so morality, principles Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #47

And if Trump switched his party affiliation, would that rule apply to Trump? Caliman73 Dec 2020 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #161

This is what it has to do with it. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #179

We don't pillory him? Caliman73 Dec 2020 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #207

Okay, here is your chance to be consistent. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #209

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #213

The NEW consistency... Caliman73 Dec 2020 #230

Ah, one must merely affix a "D" at the end of their name Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #219

I don't care what he thinks, provided he VOTES a straight Dem ticket vlyons Dec 2020 #49

On more time, I will repeat myself Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #224

I like him and I believe he can become an outstanding Democrat. He knows how to react to the katmondoo Dec 2020 #53

And they are excellent qualities Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #217

So you don't believe in redemption? You don't believe in evolution? catbyte Dec 2020 #55

I don't believe is putting people who were recently working Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #93

Schmidt has done more good to Dems, especially this year, and done much less harm to empedocles Dec 2020 #232

For the record, I'm not overlooking anything. CaptainTruth Dec 2020 #56

Excellent! Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #90

Elizaabeth Warren was a Republican until she was 47. Does this apply to her too? octoberlib Dec 2020 #67

If you examine Warren's past Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #71

Lol! Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #72

Why? DownriverDem Dec 2020 #73

What purpose does listening to a voice of caution serve? Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #87

I could answer that melman Dec 2020 #75

It's not a matter of overlooking his past dlk Dec 2020 #78

To use your analogy, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #86

I understand your concern dlk Dec 2020 #135

Not at all, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #139

You have legitimate questions dlk Dec 2020 #206

I would certainly be happy Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #212

He is a conservative. As to vile, I'm not seeing a lot of corruption in his past. PatrickforO Dec 2020 #110

At the moment Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #115

Because .... Desert_Leslie Dec 2020 #112

You just quoted U.S. foreign policy for aboout the last century Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #132

I Like Steve and Am Glad He's Become a Democrat - People Grow nd Change - They Deserve That Option Indykatie Dec 2020 #116

And I am not denying him the option to Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #126

I listen to him quite often...and I think he was an honorable man. My own brother was a conservative Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #127

As I have stated many times Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #153

Have you thought about reaching out to Steve? BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #157

Forgotten "sarcasm" tags not withstanding Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #166

+1000 Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #184

By what right do you 'require anything' Are you the pure gate keeper of the Democratic Party? Sorry Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #182

I get the purity argument a lot Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #291

HA! I just found out that one of the biggest Bernie voices R B Garr Dec 2020 #293

I'm sorry, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #296

Of course it's directly related since your purity tests R B Garr Dec 2020 #298

Again, some unnamed person being a landlord Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #301

Wow, that's a lot of hostility for someone pointing out R B Garr Dec 2020 #302

I agree with you on the "overlooking" aspect. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #138

Agree completely Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #150

That is understandable. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #154

Whatever but he's anti-Trump Septua Dec 2020 #143

Pardon me for highlighting this bit Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #149

It has nothing to do with Republican ideology Septua Dec 2020 #174

The word was yours, not mine. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #181

You're still missing Schmidt's point... Septua Dec 2020 #286

And you are missing the point that Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #287

People are switching because they like what the Democratic Party stands for and represents. UCmeNdc Dec 2020 #203

Some are, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #216

so, if people have a change of heart qazplm135 Dec 2020 #205

Again, where do I say that? Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #210

no, they don't. qazplm135 Dec 2020 #211

A "conservative"? Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #214

yawn qazplm135 Dec 2020 #220

Again with the "purity" dismissal. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #223

Has nothing to do with pragmatism qazplm135 Dec 2020 #229

No, just holding him accountable for Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #292

No one nominated you for that job qazplm135 Dec 2020 #299

Ah, so one must be nominated to Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #300

Yawn qazplm135 Dec 2020 #303

Absolutely correct N/T station agent Dec 2020 #208

What is so "egregious" about his past? Rice4VP Dec 2020 #228

It has been pointed out all over this thread Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #262

Bigger fish to fry. He was a Republican, of course he supported them. Rice4VP Dec 2020 #263

Large amounts of money are going to this man, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #265

Werner Von Braun TeamPooka Dec 2020 #234

Yes, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #261

Disagree, whole heartedly. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2020 #243

Only he know why he's doing what he's doing Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #260

Miguelito, the problem with that is that there are 70 million Americans that we need to win over to Nitram Dec 2020 #246

My personal view Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #259

I'm not suggesting we forget the past. I'm suggesting we should forgive along with trust and verify, Nitram Dec 2020 #272

I concur Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #282

We're on the same page. Nitram Dec 2020 #284

Indeed Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #285

About time.... Pachamama Dec 2020 #2

You can take the conservative Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #8

I like Steve Schmidt and am happy to welcome him to our team Pachamama Dec 2020 #12

Forgiveness must be earned. The first step to being forgiven is admit you have done bad things Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #43

That's the Christian version of forgiveness vlyons Dec 2020 #52

Forgiveness is a personal choice Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #137

I honestly disagree with you. And I see the search for the pure in your posts...and can't help think Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #130

If there is no penalty for bad behavior Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #134

Again the arrogance is breathtaking. What makes you think you have the right to impose Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #186

I am sorry, could you please point to where I say I have a Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #297

I've seen a few - Chris Matthews used to correct republicans about that all the time, and.... George II Dec 2020 #10

It posses me off too. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2020 #3

This has bugged me for year. Bush and Rove were the ones that shortened the name as an insult RAB910 Dec 2020 #16

Schmidt worked for then. CentralMass Dec 2020 #80

Interesting, so he knows the insults that were intended by the deliberate shortening RAB910 Dec 2020 #84

It's been around longer than Bush LeftInTX Dec 2020 #175

He's focusing on this because he knows from first hand experience this is intentional disrespect. FreepFryer Dec 2020 #17

Yeah, Schmidt has been a Dem for Cha Dec 2020 #18

Agreed - an ex Republican calling them out - I love it womanofthehills Dec 2020 #164

His conversion reminds me of David Brock UpInArms Dec 2020 #19

Another, although she hasn't been public in a long time, is Arriana Huffington.... George II Dec 2020 #23

Here is what Huffington has been doing UpInArms Dec 2020 #40

I remember her saying that she became a Democrat because the sex was better. betsuni Dec 2020 #48

But the question will still remain. jaxexpat Dec 2020 #28

When one "reinvents" oneself UpInArms Dec 2020 #46

Welcome Steve ... we needed an "in your face" pitbull AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #24

The Republics Only Do It To Get Under People's Skin COL Mustard Dec 2020 #27

I've been using "republic party" for several years with people. But they're too stupid to realize. George II Dec 2020 #32

LOL COL Mustard Dec 2020 #70

It's not misspeaking, it's not a mistake. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #29

Guessing his conversion began here Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #31

Sarah is such a piece of shit. And yet she IS the GOP base. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #173

Just to be clear. We are Democrats, our party is the Democratic Party. CTyankee Dec 2020 #42

Actually, he's been pissed off about that for quite awhile now. catbyte Dec 2020 #51

Pretty much all of the cable news anchors say Democrat, gab13by13 Dec 2020 #54

I am glad that Steve S hmidt has joined the party Gothmog Dec 2020 #57

I, for one am happy to welcome 'defectors' and will gladly give them a period of adjustment Siwsan Dec 2020 #58

Oh, I just LOVE this! PatSeg Dec 2020 #61

Like a teenager trying to piss someone off, the more we complain about it, the more they'll use it. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #62

Exactly why DownriverDem Dec 2020 #74

It is infantile bullshit Cosmocat Dec 2020 #83

Ignoring bad behavior will not make it go away. I have a 17 year old. I know. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #180

Yep. The best way to address this is to accept this reality and embrace the term. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #193

Nope. Ignoring bad behavior doesn't stop teens nor Republicans. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #195

This is why we don't hold majority for long kansasobama Dec 2020 #65

If Steve can pull a few more sane Karma13612 Dec 2020 #69

The Hill headline doesn't actually do that melman Dec 2020 #81

Headline: "Longtime GOP strategist Steve Schmidt announces he's registering Democrat" George II Dec 2020 #105

Thank you. ehrnst Dec 2020 #202

Actually grantcart Dec 2020 #237

True. The party that he has, or will be joining is the Democratic Party. This is an issue.... George II Dec 2020 #239

I think musclecar6 Dec 2020 #85

If the choice is between former Republicans and present Trumpists? kentuck Dec 2020 #88

Thom Hartmann responds yuiyoshida Dec 2020 #91

Exactly - it was first tried in the 1930s to differentiate between the Party and the act... George II Dec 2020 #94

Exactly! This is why we can't ignore it. We need to call this out every time. nt SunSeeker Dec 2020 #183

I understand and empathize with those who are cynical PCIntern Dec 2020 #96

Well said, thanks. To use a sports analogy, Yankee fans HATED Roger Clemens when he played with.... George II Dec 2020 #102

Or Pete Rose here in Philly PCIntern Dec 2020 #171

Yes, and Lenny Dykstra and many others. Joe Namath was despised in NY after he went to the 49ers. George II Dec 2020 #176

and he's speaking up. Most Democratic leaders and advisors just stay quiet like that's going to samsingh Dec 2020 #104

Exactly. Our party needs Steve Schmidt to show some folks how it's done. nt SunSeeker Dec 2020 #185

So he knew about the ugly zentrum Dec 2020 #106

And just this morning on Morning Joe, Claire McCaskill called it the "Democrat party" Demonaut Dec 2020 #107

I once wrote 'democrat' party in one of my posts by accident...I am sure Clare meant nothing...I Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #131

I think it's a southern thing...Claire probably grew up with it LeftInTX Dec 2020 #197

Steve is on it! pandr32 Dec 2020 #113

KnR sarchasm Dec 2020 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author andym Dec 2020 #121

He is one of us...and he gets it! Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #125

Thank you bdamomma Dec 2020 #133

BRAVO! I'm impressed! liberalla Dec 2020 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author LizBeth Dec 2020 #148

This is my biggest bugaboo; especially when journalists write or say "Democrat Party" OMGWTF Dec 2020 #159

I really like Steve a lot and enjoy his verbal beat downs of Trump BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #160

Oh, me too! R B Garr Dec 2020 #241

Wasn't it Gingrinch who started doing that? sandensea Dec 2020 #167

Joe McCarthy. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #188

K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Dec 2020 #169

Yep! Oldest political party in the world! LeftInTX Dec 2020 #178

K&R. William769 Dec 2020 #187

Happy that he did that Bettie Dec 2020 #189

I have to copyedit him, though. Grasswire2 Dec 2020 #192

Hah! Yes indeed. I still have a mental block about that myself. I'm sure I'm wrong half the time. George II Dec 2020 #194

Doing both - The Party needs to find a way BrightKnight Dec 2020 #198

A great addition to our coalition Cary Dec 2020 #218

Their worst nightmare TinCup Dec 2020 #222

Proper name, been ranting about that point for years zaj Dec 2020 #225

KICK! Cha Dec 2020 #231

. empedocles Dec 2020 #233

Again.. Cha Dec 2020 #236

Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah! About fuckin' time someone did! Texin Dec 2020 #238

Wasn't Limbaugh the "shadow" president under baby bush? George II Dec 2020 #240

Welcome aboard, Steve. Nitram Dec 2020 #245

I'll never forget where he came from, but I'm more than willing to give him a chance. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #247

This is from "the hill", a RW rag RainCaster Dec 2020 #248

The Hill has a centrist, pro-establishment bias, but it's pretty reliable on factual reporting Bucky Dec 2020 #279

I used to think as you. RainCaster Dec 2020 #280

Well, this is the comment stream I have been expecting for the last few days. soldierant Dec 2020 #250

Hats off to Steve Schmidt. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2020 #252