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BainsBane

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177. I think we do have younger leaders

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:07 PM

Dec 2020

the question is if they are better equipped to be Speaker, Majority Leader, or President. I don't have feelings one way or another about Schumer, but Pelosi has been exceptional at her job. Voters clearly concluded that Biden was the best candidate. I think committee assignments and lesser cabinet posts are good positions from which to groom future leadership, but I don't think youth is a qualification to serve as Speaker or other high-level positions. Nor is someone who is a new House member likely to merit a committee chairmanship. Younger means younger than the leading figures in the party, not young, as in 30ish. One thing is sure, AOC can never expect to hold a committee chair, given her relentless attacks on the party and its leadership. Plus, she is repeatedly saying she doesn't want to stay in office.

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Ocasio-Cortez takes direct shot at Pelosi and Schumer [View all] JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 OP

she doesnt speak for me..never will. samnsara Dec 2020 #1

I am sure she is fine with that! Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #18

Well, if she can't get support from the Democratic mainstream, she can't win. Hortensis Dec 2020 #76

There are worse things than being a lifer in the House...I don't see her winning statewide in Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #113

Me either! William769 Dec 2020 #191

Every single day....... Kingofalldems Dec 2020 #2

After still living for 4 years of tRump... FarPoint Dec 2020 #3

There must always be a balance between stability and change. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2020 #34

Glad someone else thinks that Bettie Dec 2020 #146

This is not the time to change leadership. We have had to work hard just to maintain our Democracy. katmondoo Dec 2020 #4

So true! pawismom Dec 2020 #51

I don't see Republican folks doing this to their own.... secondwind Dec 2020 #5

Republican folks like and support Mitch McConnell. Autumn Dec 2020 #11

True. We don't like Mitch McConnell onenote Dec 2020 #25

I'm not mistaken at all since didn't say that. nt Autumn Dec 2020 #38

I'm not convinced they actually like McConnell. Silence isn't always agreement. I think they are Vivienne235729 Dec 2020 #193

McConnell was elected to the Senate in 1984. Long before the fascists took over and they Autumn Dec 2020 #195

Give it a rest, AOC. MineralMan Dec 2020 #6

you should realize neither Politico or Intercept provided any quotes supporting their premises bigtree Dec 2020 #36

My admonition to AOC stands. MineralMan Dec 2020 #37

yeah? bigtree Dec 2020 #39

Opinions are like farts. MineralMan Dec 2020 #40

where did she make an antagonistic remark? bigtree Dec 2020 #43

Yep. As for your fart analogy, consider this: if three people are on an elevator and someone farts.. George II Dec 2020 #84

Very true. MineralMan Dec 2020 #92

+1000 Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #91

When do we need this? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #60

It Seems to Me that the Replacements Are Self-Grooming MineralMan Dec 2020 #62

Self grooming. ancianita Dec 2020 #122

+1 - You're right--it's never the time. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2020 #136

It is, apparently, NEVER the right time Bettie Dec 2020 #154

Never treestar Dec 2020 #163

Bingo, MM. kstewart33 Dec 2020 #96

More Politico Dems in Disarray BS Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #7

yup. she just came out saying there shouldnt be a forced vote on m4a. mopinko Dec 2020 #21

This 👆🏼 UpInArms Dec 2020 #22

All she said was that the Democratic party needs new leadership Yavin4 Dec 2020 #103

Exactly! Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #124

According to the OP not just new leadership but younger: George II Dec 2020 #194

it's an undeniable fact bigtree Dec 2020 #8

She has much to offer, a lot of natural "gifts." She also has a potentially self-defeating ego hlthe2b Dec 2020 #9

It appears that AOC is feeling some pressure from the Left: TexasTowelie Dec 2020 #10

Oh... look who we're talking about. Zoonart Dec 2020 #12

PE Joe Biden is the Leader of the Dem Cha Dec 2020 #13

She offers challenging discussion. I think current Democratic leadership is equipped for that. ancianita Dec 2020 #14

We are barely hanging onto the House and trying to win the Senate. We need unity not endless Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #119

The time before the 117th is the time for discussing leadership. One opinion is not endless division ancianita Dec 2020 #130

Exactly! treestar Dec 2020 #164

I hadn't heard of this magazine. CrispyQ Dec 2020 #128

Happy holidays! We should be celebrating the 35 Democrats it lists who WON all across the USA! ancianita Dec 2020 #131

Content is not available right now Bettie Dec 2020 #156

That's gonna trigger some folks lol nt liskddksil Dec 2020 #15

Looking at the intercept article they don't quote AOC saying those words, I'll wait uponit7771 Dec 2020 #16

She's spot-on. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #17

+1 ancianita Dec 2020 #47

I agree with her, keithsw Dec 2020 #19

AOC seems to have no problem with Bernie Sanders, though. He's old. betsuni Dec 2020 #20

PE Joe Biden got 81 Million Votes Cha Dec 2020 #24

I don't understand the obsession with leadership. betsuni Dec 2020 #26

Especially if you are supporting someone like Sanders who has very little accomplishment JI7 Dec 2020 #107

It's really weird. betsuni Dec 2020 #116

I won't give him, just his ideas, credit for getting 35 new democratic socialists into Congress. ancianita Dec 2020 #144

What progressive planks did Bernie's team put in the platform? betsuni Dec 2020 #147

I don't believe you don't know, but I'll go along, since DU discussed this through the general. ancianita Dec 2020 #152

Still don't know. betsuni Dec 2020 #155

Really. Can you link the public option and Green New Deal sites under Obama? ancianita Dec 2020 #159

Still don't know. betsuni Dec 2020 #161

Well, ancianita Dec 2020 #168

Obama ran on a public option and Green New Deal: betsuni Dec 2020 #174

Oops. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #196

It's a shame more people don't know Democratic policies. betsuni Dec 2020 #198

Okay, coach. ancianita Dec 2020 #210

No, he ran on a public option, as did Clinton, and a Green New Deal. betsuni Dec 2020 #211

Bernie got the public option enacted into law? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #203

Were they others' ideas prior to Sanders? Many of his proposals have been on record from others.... George II Dec 2020 #190

"Old" not the issue. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #27

There are plenty of young Democrats. betsuni Dec 2020 #29

Exactly. still_one Dec 2020 #32

Absolutely it is. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #35

No. betsuni Dec 2020 #41

"They do not vote for policy" Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #46

What policies did Republicans vote for? betsuni Dec 2020 #48

Republicans voted for a cult of personality. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #150

"Progressives" ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #175

All studies show that? melman Dec 2020 #50

You know my greatest hits. betsuni Dec 2020 #55

So one book is all studies melman Dec 2020 #82

Political science. betsuni Dec 2020 #86

It does not follow LanternWaste Dec 2020 #185

Nancy Pelosi is not center-right. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #123

I expect the worst case scenario in '22. betsuni Dec 2020 #132

Old IS the issue. When one complains that the party had "failed at grooming the next generation of.. George II Dec 2020 #139

What bothers me about both articles is Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #169

Yes, it's a Politico article. Cobble together a few 3rd hand rumors, imply (or even say outright).. George II Dec 2020 #172

AOC seems to have no problem with Nancy either. I won't say the "She's old" part though. Autumn Dec 2020 #44

The article is about old and new leadership. betsuni Dec 2020 #49

The headline is, the article seems to be a bit different. Bernie also isn't Senate leadership. nt Autumn Dec 2020 #52

He is the leader of his movement (Justice Democrats/Our Revolution). betsuni Dec 2020 #58

If you read the article you will find that it's about Democratic leadership. Autumn Dec 2020 #69

In the Senate. nt Autumn Dec 2020 #73

No. AOC: "I do think that we need new leadership in the Democratic Party." betsuni Dec 2020 #98

And Speaker Pelosi seems to have no problem with AOC, either. ancianita Dec 2020 #53

Agree, there seems to be no problems between them and a mutual respect. Unlike Manchin's Autumn Dec 2020 #66

He's got insecurity issues, ancianita Dec 2020 #74

That he does, very insecure as most small minded men are. Autumn Dec 2020 #80

Yeah. She's also not saying he should be the Senate Dem leadership. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #61

Why would anyone assume new leaders aren't being groomed? betsuni Dec 2020 #67

Because someone in the party is indicating that they aren't? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #90

Doesn't make it true. betsuni Dec 2020 #101

Doesn't make it not true. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #141

See comment #139. betsuni Dec 2020 #142

Could you link it? I looked and can't find it. Seriously. ancianita Dec 2020 #153

Here: betsuni Dec 2020 #157

He's a LOT older than Schumer and only one year younger than Pelosi. George II Dec 2020 #85

I went to college with someone exactly like AOC. madaboutharry Dec 2020 #23

That was probably me. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #30

You misinterpreted my post. madaboutharry Dec 2020 #33

You misinterpreted my response. Mike Niendorff Dec 2020 #42

The big tent has been telling the liberal wing of the party to sit down & be quiet for decades. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2020 #118

+1 Bettie Dec 2020 #151

Yes. But not yet. flibbitygiblets Dec 2020 #28

How old is Bernie Sanders again? At this specific time, is this really helpful? The fact is that still_one Dec 2020 #31

I doubt that AOC could win a statewide election. MineralMan Dec 2020 #45

No doubt. It would be interesting to see how she would do if she ran for Mayor of NY still_one Dec 2020 #54

I'd give her and the 35 other just-elected Democratic Socialists more time. They'll get there and ancianita Dec 2020 #72

How dare we have dissent within the Democratic Party?! Yeehah Dec 2020 #56

Just because some disagree Cha Dec 2020 #57

I agree but AOC seems to catch a lot of hell around here for voicing her opinion jcgoldie Dec 2020 #59

Some disagree and some don't.. Cha Dec 2020 #65

I wonder why? BainsBane Dec 2020 #71

Or maybe there are other reasons as well... jcgoldie Dec 2020 #75

She is shitting all over an effective Democratic Speaker of the House BainsBane Dec 2020 #83

Wtf? jcgoldie Dec 2020 #88

Diversity of opinions can be a positive BainsBane Dec 2020 #94

Read the article jcgoldie Dec 2020 #97

try the first sentence BainsBane Dec 2020 #105

Nowhere in the article does she name them jcgoldie Dec 2020 #108

the interview is from the Intercept BainsBane Dec 2020 #117

Bullshit jcgoldie Dec 2020 #125

You have since said you were talking about sexism BainsBane Dec 2020 #129

Lol jcgoldie Dec 2020 #133

I imagine you're tired BainsBane Dec 2020 #135

AND people were responding to that headline BainsBane Dec 2020 #134

Excellent, your assessment is 100% accurate. Any questioning R B Garr Dec 2020 #149

" Unless, of course, you think we should obey AOC because of her appearance" melman Dec 2020 #104

Try to follow BainsBane Dec 2020 #106

I'm not having any trouble following melman Dec 2020 #115

there is a train of argument from the other poster BainsBane Dec 2020 #127

Another great post BB Gothmog Dec 2020 #158

Great post again, Bains. Interestingly, a lot of those AOC R B Garr Dec 2020 #183

+10000000 AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #204

Serious questions, Melman Cary Dec 2020 #167

Hey melman Dec 2020 #170

Nope Cary Dec 2020 #171

I see "IF" in your statement there, sir. George II Dec 2020 #192

So did Melman Cary Dec 2020 #197

My guess it is nope. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #201

I didn't accuse you of respecting fascism Cary Dec 2020 #173

Distraction with a strawman AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #205

So your answer is no Cary Dec 2020 #184

+++ sheshe2 Dec 2020 #199

Sexist as hell, too Sympthsical Dec 2020 #179

Yes it is melman Dec 2020 #181

strawman AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #206

The HISTORIC, first (and only) Female Democratic Speaker of the House. All I can say is... George II Dec 2020 #121

You are not allowed to disagree with AOC BainsBane Dec 2020 #68

I love the Dem Party.. Maverick Cha Dec 2020 #78

Yes ... the fan club tries to bite when any criticism is encountered AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #207

Maybe they should run BainsBane Dec 2020 #63

I'm not surprised you allow only two implicit options to your argument. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #186

I made my point Yeehah Dec 2020 #188

How dare we have an effective Speaker of the House BainsBane Dec 2020 #64

More divisive shit by a small minority to become a twitter sensation AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #70

We might recognize that we're not her intended audience, which is national young voters. ancianita Dec 2020 #77

Just because some group likes it is no reason to divide the party AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #87

She's not intending to divide anything. You keep using "divide the party."That's your interpretation ancianita Dec 2020 #100

Intra-party differences should be aired out and addressed in private AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #137

I hear you and disagree. That's exactly what Republicans do. We're transparent. ancianita Dec 2020 #140

Don't over react to this. Her comments don't shake the foundations of our democracy OR of our Party Tom Rinaldo Dec 2020 #79

Funny how age BainsBane Dec 2020 #89

Your comment is full of false assumptions Tom Rinaldo Dec 2020 #145

I think we do have younger leaders BainsBane Dec 2020 #177

I'm not going to click on the link. Did she offer any names for possible replacements? George II Dec 2020 #81

That she went to the Intercept speaks for itself frazzled Dec 2020 #95

From what I read on Twitter, she's not all that complementary toward Democrats. George II Dec 2020 #111

She's not wrong about how the party neglected grooming younger leaders. intheflow Dec 2020 #93

Goddamn I hate Politico ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #99

The Intercept directly attributes her comments BainsBane Dec 2020 #109

The intercept is more honest, which is crazy to me ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #120

Truth Out sheshe2 Dec 2020 #202

Do people here think that Pelosi (81) and Schumer (70) should be leaders forever? n/t Yavin4 Dec 2020 #102

They will be dead. No one is a leader forever. ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #112

Really, I honestly don't care AOC thinks. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #110

Maybe she wants to run against Chuck Schumer for Senate in 2022 JI7 Dec 2020 #114

I doubt she would win a primary. Running statewide is very different than running in a deep blue Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2020 #138

Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 #148

I LOL'd KG Dec 2020 #143

How about taking a direct shot treestar Dec 2020 #160

I agree... the dinosaurs need to go budkin Dec 2020 #162

I find it interesting that we have posters on DU mcar Dec 2020 #165

"far more time attacking Democrats than she ever does Republicans." melman Dec 2020 #166

I'd like to see the verification mcar Dec 2020 #176

+1000 Celerity Dec 2020 #189

I would place money on THIS guy being our next Speaker: George II Dec 2020 #178

Not taking that bet! Should we be surprised that it took 178 posts to see this? Bongo Prophet Dec 2020 #187

Totally agree on Schumer. Do not agree on Pelosi. BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #180

Well I like the say her name and they will come response here ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #182

Oh great... Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #200

Wow. LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #208

What Rep. Ocasio-Cortez is saying, is since they're not grooming *me*, KitSileya Dec 2020 #209