General Discussion

Miguelito Loveless

(5,761 posts)

287. And you are missing the point that

Fri Dec 18, 2020, 09:55 AM

Dec 2020

Trump deviated from the "traditional" Republican ideology which is STILL the antithesis of ours. His pursuit of that ideology over 2-3 decades paved the way for where we are now. He was fine with an authoritarian president, so long as it was W., or a similar Republican like McCain/Palin.

And he is not "one Democrat with one vote". He is now being welcomed into the Democratic sphere of influence, at a high level. He has Democrats who owe their position to his efforts. He has a seat at the table where policy is made. He has money, and lots of it, and a powerful propaganda machine that can be used, subtly or openly, to advance his "ideology".

That is dangerous power in the hands of a trusted ally, never mind an "ally" who used to work for the enemy.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

303 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Steve Schmidt has been a Democrat for only a day and already.... [View all] George II Dec 2020 OP

Why are people so willing to overlook his egregious Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #1

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer? nt Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #4

I could accept that, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #5

He's been on the Never Trump Train all along, hasn't he? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2020 #266

And again, that's great Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #267

Absolutely Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2020 #268

Perfect example Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #283

'Best to have the camel in the tent pissing out, than pissing in' - LBJ empedocles Dec 2020 #6

Pragmatic advice indeed Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #79

Stop treating Politics like Religion JI7 Dec 2020 #7

The poltics of the Right ARE a religion Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #20

That's What Needs Fixing Roy Rolling Dec 2020 #77

I am not suggesting we form a cult on the left Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #82

Why are we willing to see a reformed attack dog as a friend by the fire, cayugafalls Dec 2020 #100

The trouble with a spy switching sides Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #108

Which is why the dog got the chance. You understood their past. cayugafalls Dec 2020 #114

I am not rubbing his nose in it, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #119

Got it and I agree. cayugafalls Dec 2020 #158

And thank you for your patient Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #163

I would not ever have a pit bull or other killer dog. No way would I ever trust them Dream Girl Dec 2020 #200

And if he is truly repentant of his previous ways Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #215

Clearly not to Steve Schmidt. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #128

Some religions allow confession. pennylane100 Dec 2020 #249

Yes, some do. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #257

I don't recall him dissing HRC. fleabiscuit Dec 2020 #254

No, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #256

Amen nt Tommymac Dec 2020 #33

+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #39

right. politics for most people is a choice you make, at the time. demigoddess Dec 2020 #235

Purity attitudes do not win in Novembers, or get legislation passed anytime. empedocles Dec 2020 #9

A demonstrated enemy who has shown he will knife his allies in the back when it becomes convenient Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #22

In this case YES Tommymac Dec 2020 #35

You lost me at Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #50

Unless you are so Far Left that you are ignoring us in the Center.... ahoysrcsm Dec 2020 #89

Ah, so I am an extremist Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #92

And you lost me at the word "enemy". AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #141

So, how would you characterize someone who has done Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #144

I'm done restating this. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #151

"repudiated his past allegiance to the GOP" melman Dec 2020 #155

Yep. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #168

Goalpost moved. ehrnst Dec 2020 #199

"his past ALLEGIANCE to the GOP", that's pretty clear, and he certainly has done that: George II Dec 2020 #204

Schmidt was like 11 years old when Reagan was elected. sheesh. fleabiscuit Dec 2020 #255

And I believe I spoke of support for Reagan's legacy Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #264

Here's Steve's self-congratulatory Repub-exit twitter thread melman Dec 2020 #269

It's really encouraging that you posted his tweet where he renounces his membership.... George II Dec 2020 #270

see post #155 melman Dec 2020 #271

That's what post #270 responds to, thank you. George II Dec 2020 #273

And this... melman Dec 2020 #274

As I said - reputiate/renounce. Whatever. I conducted two English lessons yesterday... George II Dec 2020 #275

I know you think you got a real bazinga situation here.. melman Dec 2020 #276

Nope, I certainly don't. But you rewriting your post (didn't check to see if you did so.... George II Dec 2020 #281

I do not Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #162

Agreed in most part . ... Iliyah Dec 2020 #60

And worked to get Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #95

I also welcome him. lkinwi Dec 2020 #97

Did those who were anti-union Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #109

Embrace . . . carefully empedocles Dec 2020 #44

Yep, all I am trying to get Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #76

Consiodering who his allies morphed into DFW Dec 2020 #64

I applaud him Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #66

Who did he knife in the back? Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #129

I believe that is the prevailing narrative on the Right Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #170

I call it not supporting a fascist takeover of the presidency and applaud Steve Schmidt for it. I Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #172

That's great Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #177

People always want to throw history at me...some I was there for...some I wasn't... Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #190

And I would point out that Gore actually won the election Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #227

And getting in beds of political convenience Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #226

why did jesus make paul an apostle? mopinko Dec 2020 #11

Not exactly a biblical scholar but I'm pretty sure Jesus had been gone a pretty good while..... jaxexpat Dec 2020 #21

Yeah, I was not going to get into that Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #101

And Paul brought us Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #98

well, yeah. my dad meant that it was a bad thing. mopinko Dec 2020 #99

Perhaps Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #103

Paul became a disciple of Jesus, not an apostle FakeNoose Dec 2020 #242

I'm pretty sure Paul counts as an apostle. Bucky Dec 2020 #278

Bill Murray is one of the ORIGINAL NRFPTP, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #288

It's quite unfair, but Murray missed out on being inducted into the TV Hall of Fame cause he wasn't Bucky Dec 2020 #294

There hasn't been such a steal of honor Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #295

Churchill once said no one rats from a ship twice Bucky Dec 2020 #277

Sadly it's not just him luv2fly Dec 2020 #13

He has been ripping on the entire GOP dansolo Dec 2020 #25

For at least 2 years. Tommymac Dec 2020 #36

Pretty much the same thing luv2fly Dec 2020 #123

Somehow that critical point is being ignored. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #152

Far be it for me to ignore mitigating evidence Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #289

Exactly. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #111

Nothing so zealous as a convert? Pacifist Patriot Dec 2020 #14

This is true, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #34

My husband was the same peggysue2 Dec 2020 #156

Exactly! Pacifist Patriot Dec 2020 #191

I think your attitude is wrong. madaboutharry Dec 2020 #15

+10,000 AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #26

Still waiting on his compete repudiation Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #30

Let us know exactly how many pounds of hamburger Loki Liesmith Dec 2020 #38

Oh please, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #124

Why the vendetta against someone who has shown he stands behind his beliefs? Tommymac Dec 2020 #41

Spare me the "Big Tent" argument Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #122

Who are you? pawismom Dec 2020 #59

Ah, I am no one, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #68

I had no right to judge you in any way. pawismom Dec 2020 #244

Judging others can be fraught with peril Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #258

How many pints of blood do you want? AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #118

I am not asking for blood Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #120

Whatever. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #136

Again, he is welcome to join the party Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #140

We're all well aware of his resume. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #142

I would disagree Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #145

Republicans had no problem embracing Sogo Dec 2020 #201

Different time, different people, different attitudes Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #290

Bingo. secondwind Dec 2020 #63

He also was paid by Republicans to do that job. summer_in_TX Dec 2020 #251

+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #253

Because politics is not about making friends Loki Liesmith Dec 2020 #37

Thank You. Tommymac Dec 2020 #45

Ah, so morality, principles Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #47

And if Trump switched his party affiliation, would that rule apply to Trump? Caliman73 Dec 2020 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #161

This is what it has to do with it. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #179

We don't pillory him? Caliman73 Dec 2020 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #207

Okay, here is your chance to be consistent. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #209

This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #213

The NEW consistency... Caliman73 Dec 2020 #230

Ah, one must merely affix a "D" at the end of their name Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #219

I don't care what he thinks, provided he VOTES a straight Dem ticket vlyons Dec 2020 #49

On more time, I will repeat myself Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #224

I like him and I believe he can become an outstanding Democrat. He knows how to react to the katmondoo Dec 2020 #53

And they are excellent qualities Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #217

So you don't believe in redemption? You don't believe in evolution? catbyte Dec 2020 #55

I don't believe is putting people who were recently working Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #93

Schmidt has done more good to Dems, especially this year, and done much less harm to empedocles Dec 2020 #232

For the record, I'm not overlooking anything. CaptainTruth Dec 2020 #56

Excellent! Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #90

Elizaabeth Warren was a Republican until she was 47. Does this apply to her too? octoberlib Dec 2020 #67

If you examine Warren's past Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #71

Lol! Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #72

Why? DownriverDem Dec 2020 #73

What purpose does listening to a voice of caution serve? Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #87

I could answer that melman Dec 2020 #75

It's not a matter of overlooking his past dlk Dec 2020 #78

To use your analogy, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #86

I understand your concern dlk Dec 2020 #135

Not at all, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #139

You have legitimate questions dlk Dec 2020 #206

I would certainly be happy Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #212

He is a conservative. As to vile, I'm not seeing a lot of corruption in his past. PatrickforO Dec 2020 #110

At the moment Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #115

Because .... Desert_Leslie Dec 2020 #112

You just quoted U.S. foreign policy for aboout the last century Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #132

I Like Steve and Am Glad He's Become a Democrat - People Grow nd Change - They Deserve That Option Indykatie Dec 2020 #116

And I am not denying him the option to Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #126

I listen to him quite often...and I think he was an honorable man. My own brother was a conservative Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #127

As I have stated many times Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #153

Have you thought about reaching out to Steve? BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #157

Forgotten "sarcasm" tags not withstanding Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #166

+1000 Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #184

By what right do you 'require anything' Are you the pure gate keeper of the Democratic Party? Sorry Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #182

I get the purity argument a lot Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #291

HA! I just found out that one of the biggest Bernie voices R B Garr Dec 2020 #293

I'm sorry, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #296

Of course it's directly related since your purity tests R B Garr Dec 2020 #298

Again, some unnamed person being a landlord Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #301

Wow, that's a lot of hostility for someone pointing out R B Garr Dec 2020 #302

I agree with you on the "overlooking" aspect. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #138

Agree completely Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #150

That is understandable. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #154

Whatever but he's anti-Trump Septua Dec 2020 #143

Pardon me for highlighting this bit Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #149

It has nothing to do with Republican ideology Septua Dec 2020 #174

The word was yours, not mine. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #181

You're still missing Schmidt's point... Septua Dec 2020 #286

And you are missing the point that Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #287

People are switching because they like what the Democratic Party stands for and represents. UCmeNdc Dec 2020 #203

Some are, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #216

so, if people have a change of heart qazplm135 Dec 2020 #205

Again, where do I say that? Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #210

no, they don't. qazplm135 Dec 2020 #211

A "conservative"? Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #214

yawn qazplm135 Dec 2020 #220

Again with the "purity" dismissal. Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #223

Has nothing to do with pragmatism qazplm135 Dec 2020 #229

No, just holding him accountable for Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #292

No one nominated you for that job qazplm135 Dec 2020 #299

Ah, so one must be nominated to Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #300

Yawn qazplm135 Dec 2020 #303

Absolutely correct N/T station agent Dec 2020 #208

What is so "egregious" about his past? Rice4VP Dec 2020 #228

It has been pointed out all over this thread Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #262

Bigger fish to fry. He was a Republican, of course he supported them. Rice4VP Dec 2020 #263

Large amounts of money are going to this man, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #265

Werner Von Braun TeamPooka Dec 2020 #234

Yes, Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #261

Disagree, whole heartedly. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2020 #243

Only he know why he's doing what he's doing Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #260

Miguelito, the problem with that is that there are 70 million Americans that we need to win over to Nitram Dec 2020 #246

My personal view Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #259

I'm not suggesting we forget the past. I'm suggesting we should forgive along with trust and verify, Nitram Dec 2020 #272

I concur Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #282

We're on the same page. Nitram Dec 2020 #284

Indeed Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #285

About time.... Pachamama Dec 2020 #2

You can take the conservative Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #8

I like Steve Schmidt and am happy to welcome him to our team Pachamama Dec 2020 #12

Forgiveness must be earned. The first step to being forgiven is admit you have done bad things Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #43

That's the Christian version of forgiveness vlyons Dec 2020 #52

Forgiveness is a personal choice Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #137

I honestly disagree with you. And I see the search for the pure in your posts...and can't help think Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #130

If there is no penalty for bad behavior Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #134

Again the arrogance is breathtaking. What makes you think you have the right to impose Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #186

I am sorry, could you please point to where I say I have a Miguelito Loveless Dec 2020 #297

I've seen a few - Chris Matthews used to correct republicans about that all the time, and.... George II Dec 2020 #10

It posses me off too. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2020 #3

This has bugged me for year. Bush and Rove were the ones that shortened the name as an insult RAB910 Dec 2020 #16

Schmidt worked for then. CentralMass Dec 2020 #80

Interesting, so he knows the insults that were intended by the deliberate shortening RAB910 Dec 2020 #84

It's been around longer than Bush LeftInTX Dec 2020 #175

He's focusing on this because he knows from first hand experience this is intentional disrespect. FreepFryer Dec 2020 #17

Yeah, Schmidt has been a Dem for Cha Dec 2020 #18

Agreed - an ex Republican calling them out - I love it womanofthehills Dec 2020 #164

His conversion reminds me of David Brock UpInArms Dec 2020 #19

Another, although she hasn't been public in a long time, is Arriana Huffington.... George II Dec 2020 #23

Here is what Huffington has been doing UpInArms Dec 2020 #40

I remember her saying that she became a Democrat because the sex was better. betsuni Dec 2020 #48

But the question will still remain. jaxexpat Dec 2020 #28

When one "reinvents" oneself UpInArms Dec 2020 #46

Welcome Steve ... we needed an "in your face" pitbull AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #24

The Republics Only Do It To Get Under People's Skin COL Mustard Dec 2020 #27

I've been using "republic party" for several years with people. But they're too stupid to realize. George II Dec 2020 #32

LOL COL Mustard Dec 2020 #70

It's not misspeaking, it's not a mistake. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #29

Guessing his conversion began here Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #31

Sarah is such a piece of shit. And yet she IS the GOP base. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #173

Just to be clear. We are Democrats, our party is the Democratic Party. CTyankee Dec 2020 #42

Actually, he's been pissed off about that for quite awhile now. catbyte Dec 2020 #51

Pretty much all of the cable news anchors say Democrat, gab13by13 Dec 2020 #54

I am glad that Steve S hmidt has joined the party Gothmog Dec 2020 #57

I, for one am happy to welcome 'defectors' and will gladly give them a period of adjustment Siwsan Dec 2020 #58

Oh, I just LOVE this! PatSeg Dec 2020 #61

Like a teenager trying to piss someone off, the more we complain about it, the more they'll use it. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #62

Exactly why DownriverDem Dec 2020 #74

It is infantile bullshit Cosmocat Dec 2020 #83

Ignoring bad behavior will not make it go away. I have a 17 year old. I know. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #180

Yep. The best way to address this is to accept this reality and embrace the term. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #193

Nope. Ignoring bad behavior doesn't stop teens nor Republicans. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #195

This is why we don't hold majority for long kansasobama Dec 2020 #65

If Steve can pull a few more sane Karma13612 Dec 2020 #69

The Hill headline doesn't actually do that melman Dec 2020 #81

Headline: "Longtime GOP strategist Steve Schmidt announces he's registering Democrat" George II Dec 2020 #105

Thank you. ehrnst Dec 2020 #202

Actually grantcart Dec 2020 #237

True. The party that he has, or will be joining is the Democratic Party. This is an issue.... George II Dec 2020 #239

I think musclecar6 Dec 2020 #85

If the choice is between former Republicans and present Trumpists? kentuck Dec 2020 #88

Thom Hartmann responds yuiyoshida Dec 2020 #91

Exactly - it was first tried in the 1930s to differentiate between the Party and the act... George II Dec 2020 #94

Exactly! This is why we can't ignore it. We need to call this out every time. nt SunSeeker Dec 2020 #183

I understand and empathize with those who are cynical PCIntern Dec 2020 #96

Well said, thanks. To use a sports analogy, Yankee fans HATED Roger Clemens when he played with.... George II Dec 2020 #102

Or Pete Rose here in Philly PCIntern Dec 2020 #171

Yes, and Lenny Dykstra and many others. Joe Namath was despised in NY after he went to the 49ers. George II Dec 2020 #176

and he's speaking up. Most Democratic leaders and advisors just stay quiet like that's going to samsingh Dec 2020 #104

Exactly. Our party needs Steve Schmidt to show some folks how it's done. nt SunSeeker Dec 2020 #185

So he knew about the ugly zentrum Dec 2020 #106

And just this morning on Morning Joe, Claire McCaskill called it the "Democrat party" Demonaut Dec 2020 #107

I once wrote 'democrat' party in one of my posts by accident...I am sure Clare meant nothing...I Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #131

I think it's a southern thing...Claire probably grew up with it LeftInTX Dec 2020 #197

Steve is on it! pandr32 Dec 2020 #113

KnR sarchasm Dec 2020 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author andym Dec 2020 #121

He is one of us...and he gets it! Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #125

Thank you bdamomma Dec 2020 #133

BRAVO! I'm impressed! liberalla Dec 2020 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author LizBeth Dec 2020 #148

This is my biggest bugaboo; especially when journalists write or say "Democrat Party" OMGWTF Dec 2020 #159

I really like Steve a lot and enjoy his verbal beat downs of Trump BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #160

Oh, me too! R B Garr Dec 2020 #241

Wasn't it Gingrinch who started doing that? sandensea Dec 2020 #167

Joe McCarthy. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #188

K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Dec 2020 #169

Yep! Oldest political party in the world! LeftInTX Dec 2020 #178

K&R. William769 Dec 2020 #187

Happy that he did that Bettie Dec 2020 #189

I have to copyedit him, though. Grasswire2 Dec 2020 #192

Hah! Yes indeed. I still have a mental block about that myself. I'm sure I'm wrong half the time. George II Dec 2020 #194

Doing both - The Party needs to find a way BrightKnight Dec 2020 #198

A great addition to our coalition Cary Dec 2020 #218

Their worst nightmare TinCup Dec 2020 #222

Proper name, been ranting about that point for years zaj Dec 2020 #225

KICK! Cha Dec 2020 #231

. empedocles Dec 2020 #233

Again.. Cha Dec 2020 #236

Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah! About fuckin' time someone did! Texin Dec 2020 #238

Wasn't Limbaugh the "shadow" president under baby bush? George II Dec 2020 #240

Welcome aboard, Steve. Nitram Dec 2020 #245

I'll never forget where he came from, but I'm more than willing to give him a chance. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #247

This is from "the hill", a RW rag RainCaster Dec 2020 #248

The Hill has a centrist, pro-establishment bias, but it's pretty reliable on factual reporting Bucky Dec 2020 #279

I used to think as you. RainCaster Dec 2020 #280

Well, this is the comment stream I have been expecting for the last few days. soldierant Dec 2020 #250

Hats off to Steve Schmidt. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2020 #252