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relayerbob

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7. Paranoia doesn't help. Follow the science

Fri Dec 18, 2020, 12:24 PM

Dec 2020

The science is that the two vaccines are very similar molecularly, and side effect variations are going to be due to individual's variations. There is no way to predict which vaccine might have any given side effect on you are anyone else. The most extreme reactions are very rare. Trump and the CDC have virtually nothing to do with the vaccines and absolutely nothing to do with side effects. This tech has been in the works for a decade, and is it fast-tracked? Absolutely, because ventilators and 3500 people a day dying sucks more than the side effects.

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CNBC: Moderna vaccine side effect: rheumatoid arthritis [View all] SheltieLover Dec 2020 OP

rheumatoid arthritis? that is a very weird SE still_one Dec 2020 #1

Not really TexasBushwhacker Dec 2020 #31

That's Exactly Why, 20+ Years Ago... ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #33

I have auto-immune thyroid disease TexasBushwhacker Dec 2020 #35

I'll Take What's Available When My Number Comes Up ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #40

Ok, take it, get R arthritis & then Supremes come back in the spring & rule Pre-Existing Captain Zero Dec 2020 #2

What is the probability of getting this side effect? Initech Dec 2020 #3

Trial had 30,000 participants, with half getting the vaccine and half the placebo Klaralven Dec 2020 #9

That's an important note PSPS Dec 2020 #14

Really, you are sure that Pfizer's is 100% safe? Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #4

No vaccine is 100% safe, beachbumbob Dec 2020 #5

Or, "no vaccine" is highly dangerous. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2020 #24

Drinking water isn't 100% safe, lol relayerbob Dec 2020 #8

Yes, that's why beer was invented. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2020 #25

Good One! ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #34

This relayerbob Dec 2020 #51

Rheumatoid arthritis is an auto-immune disease. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #6

Probably between a .013% or .003% chance LeftInTX Dec 2020 #38

So if a hundred million Americans get that vaccine, how many will then get RA? PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #52

Several thousand, (3,000) if it is a direct cause of RA LeftInTX Dec 2020 #57

It is not diagnosed with just sed rates AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #59

Sed is the most common that would be in a routine lab LeftInTX Dec 2020 #60

Sed rate is like fever - non-specific AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #61

Paranoia doesn't help. Follow the science relayerbob Dec 2020 #7

It's hard to trust corporations where profit comes first ansible Dec 2020 #26

Every vaccine can cause side effects, and does. MineralMan Dec 2020 #10

Then there will the side effects that only show up once every 50,000 PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #54

The odds. Life is all playing the odds. MineralMan Dec 2020 #58

Very likely temporary DrToast Dec 2020 #11

I don't think there is such a thing as temporary RA. Ace Rothstein Dec 2020 #16

It has not been resolved - Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #28

Thanks for that DrToast Dec 2020 #32

One of the people who didn't want to proceed with the Pfizer vaccine cally Dec 2020 #12

Does that mean more rheumatoid arthritis ads? Renew Deal Dec 2020 #13

I recommend Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #15

It's starting to get real kooky around here with the vaccine stuff. BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #17

I'm pro-vaccine, but... Iggo Dec 2020 #49

Yes. You're right. We have a lot of pseudo experts. BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #55

There are still so many unknowns with the disease and the vaccines. StarryNite Dec 2020 #18

My wife got RA like 6 weeks after we got a flurry of vaccines before going to Brazil. Ace Rothstein Dec 2020 #19

Interesting. Thanks for the info n/t Strelnikov_ Dec 2020 #22

She probably was gonna get it LeftInTX Dec 2020 #39

Here is a link to VRBPAC from yesterday Chakaconcarne Dec 2020 #20

That is helpful. Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #27

I Have MS, And... ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #37

I know an incredibly large number of people with MS - Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #42

Thanks! ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #44

My church friend was in a wheelchair in less than 30 months (probably less than 6) - Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #45

Very Similar! ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #46

Agreed - Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #47

Thanks for this... LeftInTX Dec 2020 #41

What about efficacy? Chakaconcarne Dec 2020 #21

Ha! Already have RA ( and lupus and myositis and....) NightWatcher Dec 2020 #23

Could exacerbate it, talk to your doctor, maybe get an extra dose of what you take to manage RA LeftInTX Dec 2020 #30

.013% and of those only one probably developed RA which gives it .003% chance LeftInTX Dec 2020 #29

All righty then! cwydro Dec 2020 #36

Not particularly helpful Dem2 Dec 2020 #43

This about VAERS flotsam Dec 2020 #48

Fortunately, RA *is* a condition that can be treated with hydroxychloroquine . . . Journeyman Dec 2020 #50

And we sure got lots of that laying around. LisaL Dec 2020 #53

Ok, and what are the chances of side effects from covid? Calculating Dec 2020 #56