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47. The Right To Petition Clause

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 07:03 PM

Dec 2020

of the First Amendment does not guarantee an absolute immunity for unprotected speech (McDonald v. Smith, 472 U.S. 479 (1985)).

They basically argued, in the name of the state of Texas, that the vote be overturned and thrown out, in effect overturning the Government. This is the "Advocacy of Action" required, and it doesn't matter if the SC would have done it or not, nor if it would have occurred instantaneously or at some date in the future. (Thank goodness that the SC turned them away for lack of standing; and they were not required to even give a reason. The Right To Petition does not include the requirement of an answer.)

I'll tell you what: I'll give you "sedition" if you'll give me "treason."

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I'm sorry, but I don't see the frivolous lawsuit to overturn the election as sedition [View all] Bucky Dec 2020 OP

+1. That word has been thrown around at lot lately. No way it will stick. Hoyt Dec 2020 #1

Sedition has a particular definition in a federal statute, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #2

what's infuriating is that looking stupid and uninformed always seems to work well for republicans unblock Dec 2020 #7

Sadly, for the GOP, stupid and uninformed is a feature and not a bug. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #12

this Bucky Dec 2020 #26

I think the GOP politicians are engaged in seditious behavior ... mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #8

Seditious behavior has a looser definition than sedition. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #10

Which is what theyre trying do. they ARE trying to overturn it by force Fullduplexxx Dec 2020 #13

That's not force. The statute presumes forceviolence. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #14

Ok thanks ....... nt Fullduplexxx Dec 2020 #17

And a broader definition in general usage. moondust Dec 2020 #31

Force OR violence EndlessWire Dec 2020 #33

Have a look at Brandenburg v. Ohio. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #34

The Right To Petition Clause EndlessWire Dec 2020 #47

I agree with the spirit of what you say lunatica Dec 2020 #3

If it leaves the realm of politics, I'd agree with you. Bucky Dec 2020 #15

The term sedition does not apply lunatica Dec 2020 #27

No, it's not that simple. EndlessWire Dec 2020 #35

Trying sedition via our justice system is laughable. lunatica Dec 2020 #38

Oh, DON'T see. Never mind. I thought it was going to be another one of "those" threads. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #4

Maybe not legally but they signed on to a lawsuit to turn over doc03 Dec 2020 #5

filing lawsuits isn't the problem in and of itself unblock Dec 2020 #6

Agree about the idiotic lawsuits C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #9

This 1000% genxlib Dec 2020 #11

That is at least sedition-curious. At this point I think they are just throwing red meat The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #19

Sure, if they call on the military (or state lege's) to hijack the election, that's crossing lines Bucky Dec 2020 #20

Ah ha! Now THIS is sedition !! Bucky Dec 2020 #39

In 2016 Trump had 306 EV and Hillary Clinton got doc03 Dec 2020 #16

You can say "fuck your feelings" but... Bucky Dec 2020 #24

Well no let them get away with everything don't hurt their damn feelings. Do you think they doc03 Dec 2020 #29

If they're being coy, obviously they do Bucky Dec 2020 #40

Flynn did. Straw Man Dec 2020 #44

He rushed through Barrett's confirmation for this very purpose... lame54 Dec 2020 #18

True, but she didn't help him, and I'm loving it. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #21

He thought any case he could get to the court would be rubber stamp... lame54 Dec 2020 #25

yep Bucky Dec 2020 #22

The most significant point the OP makes is intrepidity Dec 2020 #23

Agreed, but I'd also add this to the list of answers to "Why?" Bucky Dec 2020 #41

Filing lawsuits is not sedition. Armed militants harassing election officials could be. tinrobot Dec 2020 #28

What is this? doc03 Dec 2020 #30

Exactly LeeAndrews Dec 2020 #32

Yep. n/t EndlessWire Dec 2020 #36

Yeah, hyperbole ain't sedition. Bucky Dec 2020 #42

What will you say when trump declares Martial Law? Will that be hyperbole too? doc03 Dec 2020 #43

They are trying to install Trump as a dictator after he lost the election. I wouldn't bes Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #37

"trying" gives the impression there's some chance of success. There is isn't any in this case. Kaleva Dec 2020 #46

Extremists doing what they do. Accusing others as engaging in extreme (criminal) behavior. Kaleva Dec 2020 #45