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37. So you don't think that citizens should have a built-in advantage? nt

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Which is worse: H1B Visa Holders or Illegal Immigrants. [View all] Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 OP

It is all over this website. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #1

I'm against any practice that drives down wages. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #2

Aye, there's the rub. The issue in a nutshell Populist_Prole Jan 2012 #38

IOW, white collar workers bashing blue collar workers? Zalatix Jan 2012 #76

+1 got it in one. Vincardog Jan 2012 #61

I've noticed it too.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #3

All jobs takes smarts as you put it madokie Jan 2012 #12

Both are bad Confusious Jan 2012 #4

YES. The whole idea of immigrants coming to America is simply appalling. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #5

Try reading and understanding the words Confusious Jan 2012 #9

Don't worry with those who intentionally conflate illegal immigration with immigration. Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #31

Here's my simplistic approach (answer) to the immigration issue... mrmpa Jan 2012 #59

And there needs to be a robust agency that does daily checkups on work sites. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #62

Nothing wrong with H1B visa holders, just looking for work JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #6

How many H1B visa should be allowed? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #11

To be practical, freeze the number at current level JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #21

And freeze the #'s of illegal immigrants at the current level as well? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #23

No more difficult than freezing the current level of JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #27

no, I haven't noticed this attitude a bit maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #7

I have a problem with employers who hire either over US citizens. w8liftinglady Jan 2012 #8

+1000 Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #15

Canada promotes the immigration of highly skilled and educated people rather than the unskilled. pampango Jan 2012 #10

Seems Canada could teach us a thing or two. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #13

meaning native born Canadians are becoming an underclass in their own country. provis99 Jan 2012 #63

You'll have to let them know this. Polls show they are very supportive of high immigration levels. pampango Jan 2012 #64

I don't hate either. Iggo Jan 2012 #14

Employers drive down wages for profit. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #16

And workers buy cheaper products to maximize their purchasing power. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #17

"I doubt the profit motive is going away any time soon" Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #18

yes, there is a disconnect when discussing legal vs. illegal immigration WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2012 #19

Sounds like you have good first hand knowledge which you can impart. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #20

I wish I could rec this reply sharp_stick Jan 2012 #22

It's not just attitude, it's policy. PETRUS Jan 2012 #24

So if you can get here by plane, boat or paddle then you become a citizen? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #25

It's complicated. PETRUS Jan 2012 #57

Those are some good points. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #58

Great suggestion. Works well in Europe but runs counter to the idea that pampango Jan 2012 #26

Do Europeans allow Africans and Asians to come and work freely in Europe? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #28

No, just their immediate neighbors on the continent (30 countries now). pampango Jan 2012 #32

Isn't the 50 states still much larger than the EU? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #33

The EU is 500 million people. You're right it would have to be a two-way street with pampango Jan 2012 #34

Per the article Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #35

Sarkozy's Conservative Party it taking a hard line on immigration. In part that is politics to fend pampango Jan 2012 #43

So that is a winning issue? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #47

They perceive to be a winning issue with conservative voters which is who they need to pampango Jan 2012 #50

I think this is not true! GermanDem Jan 2012 #29

There are a lot of computer programmers and engineers out of work in the US. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #30

No. GermanDem Jan 2012 #36

So you don't think that citizens should have a built-in advantage? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #37

No. GermanDem Jan 2012 #39

So you would be against affirmative action of any kind? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #40

Honestly, yes. GermanDem Jan 2012 #48

Would Germany allow American high tech workers to come in en masse if there was Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #54

It's true. Companies are coached on how to 'game the system' and lie. Edweird Jan 2012 #66

The worst thing is the "blame the workers" attitude... countryjake Jan 2012 #41

Yes, I have noticed it. There are some elitist jerks here that love to heap scorn Edweird Jan 2012 #42

I believe the correct term is "ivory tower" liberal elitists. pampango Jan 2012 #45

Doesn't the EU have pretty strict rules on who can join Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #46

Very strict. It takes years of negotiation for new members to satisfy existing members. pampango Jan 2012 #49

Well that in itself is it's own immigration policy. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #51

Agreed. And a good one, IMHO. n/t pampango Jan 2012 #52

It's amusing how you cling to your dishonest comparison. Edweird Jan 2012 #56

Comparing Europe and the US is dishonest? Is the US so different (exceptional) that pampango Jan 2012 #60

Same old race to the bottom garbage. It's all completely dishonest. Edweird Jan 2012 #65

I agree that the EU is a (liberal) attempt to create a European version of the US. pampango Jan 2012 #67

That's a fallacious argument Confusious Jan 2012 #74

Three points. 1. At the same time progressive Europeans were building their progressive societies pampango Jan 2012 #78

1.Movement between countries Confusious Jan 2012 #80

Both H1B Visa holders and Illegal immigrants tend to drive down hedgehog Jan 2012 #44

I'm not angry at either group but at the selfish employers who Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #53

Doesn't that also apply to consumers who look for the best bargain Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #55

But it's a vicious circle Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #71

If HB-1 visas went to the best and brightest in the world... dkf Jan 2012 #68

This whole dynamic (H1-B, L-1, illegal immigration) could be changing. gulliver Jan 2012 #69

Not really. MH1 Jan 2012 #70

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yes, i have La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2012 #73

H-1Bs are legally here treestar Jan 2012 #75

easy answer.... by and large American youth are too fucking lazy NightTemplar Jan 2012 #77

Of course. It's classism. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #79

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