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marie999

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11. Nothing can be done about the pardon once the president pardons someone.

Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:38 PM

Dec 2020

The Constitution makes it clear the president can pardon people the only time he can't is for impeachment. But that person's crime is also a state crime they can be prosecuted in state court. Also if it can be proven that person paid for the pardon they can probably be tried for that. But the person might be pardoned for that.

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Can Trump be prosecuted by the incoming DOJ for abuse of pardon power? [View all] triron Dec 2020 OP

No There is No Standard to Judge the Complete Discretion Allowed by the Pardon Clause Stallion Dec 2020 #1

Or can the pardons be voided (for their corrupt intent)? C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #2

Sort of a quid pro quo? marble falls Dec 2020 #5

mmm hmmm C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #7

The Supreme Court has ruled that a pardon is final once it has been delivered. tritsofme Dec 2020 #20

No, the Court ruled that a pardon is not final until it has been delivered, which is a bit different PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #24

No. He could literally give pardons to everyone named Smith SoonerPride Dec 2020 #3

Suppose a president pardoned every white male who was convicted of a certain offense, could that... PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #15

No StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #18

That's not a settled legal issue. It's possible the Supreme Court could find a pardon the President PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #21

It's also possible the Court would find Article I conflicts with another part of the Constitution StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #26

I guess we'll have to wait until he "pardons everyone named Smith". n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #27

Yes, we'll see StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #31

Not if someone paid for it. Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #36

Paying for a pardon doesn't void it StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #39

And that would include himself, right? Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #41

I don't believe so, but individual pardons can be challenged pecosbob Dec 2020 #4

The DOJ would probably have to persue a prosecution of the President... PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #16

The pardon can't be challenged or voided StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #19

Biden needs to hopefully look at changing the power of the pardon. Its too broad. sunonmars Dec 2020 #6

Biden has no say in this at all. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #8

It is a Constitutional issue sarisataka Dec 2020 #10

How has he abused the power to pardon sarisataka Dec 2020 #9

Nothing can be done about the pardon once the president pardons someone. marie999 Dec 2020 #11

Yes. slumcamper Dec 2020 #12

Cite, please. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #14

Conventional response, but irrelevant. slumcamper Dec 2020 #29

No. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #30

And therein lies the need for interpretation/resolution, correct? slumcamper Dec 2020 #32

What part of "no" do you not understand? NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #33

Your assertion of "NO" is certainly not the final word on this--or anything. slumcamper Dec 2020 #40

Are you an attorney? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #35

Perhaps in a former or future life. slumcamper Dec 2020 #42

I don't think DOJ would try to void a pardon StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #43

I suspect you are correct... slumcamper Dec 2020 #46

The drafters of the Constitution already asserted the primacy of separation of powers and checks and StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #48

Ahh... I think I see your point. slumcamper Dec 2020 #34

That "no" isn't absolute, especially if bribery can be proven. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #45

Federalist 69--here's something slumcamper Dec 2020 #47

As is clear to everyone, except you, onenote Dec 2020 #49

Completely, utterly incorrect. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #50

I was just thinking.. that Fucker needs to Cha Dec 2020 #13

Well people could vote him out of office due to disgust with his actions. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #23

Yes, he will be out Jan 20th.. but Cha Dec 2020 #25

Well he could be impeached but that was tried already. The could "censure" him. PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #28

Trump will break laws before the sun sets on January 20th. Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #37

Before it's over, he'll pardon everyone convicted of federal hate crimes. Hoyt Dec 2020 #17

no trof Dec 2020 #22

They can try - I doubt it would withstand legal challenge. David__77 Dec 2020 #38

Sure, as long as Pence hasn't pardoned Trump, especially if evidence exists of bribery. Nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #44