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mahatmakanejeeves

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30. No.

Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:35 PM

Dec 2020

The original question stands on its merit--essentially, can the Justice Department challenge the assertion of the presidential pardon power when that power is perceived to be exercised in abuse of broader Constitutional considerations.

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Can Trump be prosecuted by the incoming DOJ for abuse of pardon power? [View all] triron Dec 2020 OP

No There is No Standard to Judge the Complete Discretion Allowed by the Pardon Clause Stallion Dec 2020 #1

Or can the pardons be voided (for their corrupt intent)? C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #2

Sort of a quid pro quo? marble falls Dec 2020 #5

mmm hmmm C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #7

The Supreme Court has ruled that a pardon is final once it has been delivered. tritsofme Dec 2020 #20

No, the Court ruled that a pardon is not final until it has been delivered, which is a bit different PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #24

No. He could literally give pardons to everyone named Smith SoonerPride Dec 2020 #3

Suppose a president pardoned every white male who was convicted of a certain offense, could that... PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #15

No StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #18

That's not a settled legal issue. It's possible the Supreme Court could find a pardon the President PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #21

It's also possible the Court would find Article I conflicts with another part of the Constitution StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #26

I guess we'll have to wait until he "pardons everyone named Smith". n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #27

Yes, we'll see StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #31

Not if someone paid for it. Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #36

Paying for a pardon doesn't void it StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #39

And that would include himself, right? Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #41

I don't believe so, but individual pardons can be challenged pecosbob Dec 2020 #4

The DOJ would probably have to persue a prosecution of the President... PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #16

The pardon can't be challenged or voided StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #19

Biden needs to hopefully look at changing the power of the pardon. Its too broad. sunonmars Dec 2020 #6

Biden has no say in this at all. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #8

It is a Constitutional issue sarisataka Dec 2020 #10

How has he abused the power to pardon sarisataka Dec 2020 #9

Nothing can be done about the pardon once the president pardons someone. marie999 Dec 2020 #11

Yes. slumcamper Dec 2020 #12

Cite, please. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #14

Conventional response, but irrelevant. slumcamper Dec 2020 #29

No. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #30

And therein lies the need for interpretation/resolution, correct? slumcamper Dec 2020 #32

What part of "no" do you not understand? NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #33

Your assertion of "NO" is certainly not the final word on this--or anything. slumcamper Dec 2020 #40

Are you an attorney? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #35

Perhaps in a former or future life. slumcamper Dec 2020 #42

I don't think DOJ would try to void a pardon StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #43

I suspect you are correct... slumcamper Dec 2020 #46

The drafters of the Constitution already asserted the primacy of separation of powers and checks and StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #48

Ahh... I think I see your point. slumcamper Dec 2020 #34

That "no" isn't absolute, especially if bribery can be proven. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #45

Federalist 69--here's something slumcamper Dec 2020 #47

As is clear to everyone, except you, onenote Dec 2020 #49

Completely, utterly incorrect. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #50

I was just thinking.. that Fucker needs to Cha Dec 2020 #13

Well people could vote him out of office due to disgust with his actions. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #23

Yes, he will be out Jan 20th.. but Cha Dec 2020 #25

Well he could be impeached but that was tried already. The could "censure" him. PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #28

Trump will break laws before the sun sets on January 20th. Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #37

Before it's over, he'll pardon everyone convicted of federal hate crimes. Hoyt Dec 2020 #17

no trof Dec 2020 #22

They can try - I doubt it would withstand legal challenge. David__77 Dec 2020 #38

Sure, as long as Pence hasn't pardoned Trump, especially if evidence exists of bribery. Nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #44