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MyOwnPeace

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7. Not to be "chicken-shit," but.......

Mon Dec 28, 2020, 01:19 PM

Dec 2020

I would rather the school could concentrate on tests, papers, lessons, athletics, and proms. As a former teacher and administrator, I was busy enough without having to put in my own time delving through school law and constitutional law.
I WOULD appreciate clear and definitive laws telling me and my students what we can say, where we can say it, and what happens if somebody f**ked up!

I understand the delima - Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School Dist., 393 U.S. 503 ruling was in 1969, before cassettes, computers, the internet, CD's, smartphones, and wi-fi. For a "Constitutional Originalist" to make a ruling based on Ben Franklin's latest upgrade of his printing press, this is gonna' be a tough fight. I don't see it any different than considering a right to possess firearms such as muskets when you could by an AK-47. It's all the same - right?

Seriously, give us clearly defined laws and policies and it's all easy-peasy! (not saying MAKING those laws or policies would be easy.)

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A Cheerleader's Vulgar Message Prompts a First Amendment Showdown [View all] IsItJustMe Dec 2020 OP

I also believe in free speech, as well as facing its consequences, but I hope The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #1

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Agreed. lunatica Dec 2020 #50

What about race hatred speech, or religious intolerant speech? I believe that the Court Blue_true Dec 2020 #53

"Hate speech" is and should be protected by the first amendment. NYC Liberal Dec 2020 #61

Hmm. What about racist speech? Beakybird Dec 2020 #2

I realize it's a two edge sword, with a thousand different situations ln different contexts. IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #4

I don't want the school involved in anything outside of school jimfields33 Dec 2020 #5

What about a school bullying situation? IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #33

with the prevalence of social media "outside of school" takes on a new meaning. Blue_true Dec 2020 #54

Not to be "chicken-shit," but....... MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #7

If the kid said it in class, or on school grounds then fine. Otherwise, Volaris Dec 2020 #11

I meant two different situations. Racist speech off of school grounds I would want regulated. Beakybird Dec 2020 #14

Got it. Yes, were on the same page then :) Volaris Dec 2020 #15

So you want a narrow ruling? the 3rd Circuit three open the flood gate Blue_true Dec 2020 #55

The NYT had a long article on a similar topic yesterday. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #17

That happened in Leesburg, Virginia. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #21

She was a star cheerleader and U Tennessee has national-championship Hortensis Dec 2020 #23

I am not sure the punishment equals the crime, however... redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #24

She was in Virginia. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #25

It isn't really a double standard JonLP24 Dec 2020 #70

The problem is having a word that is only acceptable for some to use. ripcord Dec 2020 #77

Not really JonLP24 Dec 2020 #82

Yes. Fwiw, your example had a pattern of repetitive misbehavior Hortensis Dec 2020 #26

I grew up in small white town full of racists redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #28

I'm sure you're right. My issue isn't that what the girl Hortensis Dec 2020 #30

Well, I Hope She Was RobinA Dec 2020 #76

Oh, sure, this will follow him also, anywhere his name is searched on. Hortensis Dec 2020 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Dec 2020 #43

She used the hard "r" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #62

Would that have made a difference? maxsolomon Dec 2020 #73

Nope wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #83

I Would Favor RobinA Dec 2020 #75

How is her life ruined? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #79

While it was a rather juvenile outburst on her part, MineralMan Dec 2020 #3

The word was apparently "Fuck". Whoop de doo. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #6

This COLGATE4 Dec 2020 #9

Fuck that school MenloParque Dec 2020 #8

Yeah, fuck everything!!! LOL IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #12

A bit of exaggeration MenloParque Dec 2020 #22

Can a employer punish you for posts about terrible boss? Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #13

The vast majority of employers can fire you for almost any reason they can think of. IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #20

The public makes coaching and teaching harder. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #10

Maybe teach that Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #32

Did your folks expect your coaches and teachers kcr Dec 2020 #35

Everyone in my family were teachers LakeArenal Dec 2020 #41

Teachers and coaches should have ZERO power over students outside school. MicaelS Dec 2020 #66

Then folks need to quit riding teachers for things parents should be doing. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #81

Speech is free. Consequences are paid in full. Over-reactions are ridiculous. Moostache Dec 2020 #16

The parents are supposed to do the disciplining Bluesaph Dec 2020 #18

The F word? Is that all? The word we hear on TV every day? mainer Dec 2020 #19

Yeah, I don't see why she needs to be punished at all Withywindle Dec 2020 #60

There was already a SCOTUS case on the phrase "fuck the draft". NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #27

Wasn't there also a one about a 14 year old making a sexually suggestive nomination for student meadowlander Dec 2020 #37

It has to be disruptive to a school event NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #38

I thought it just had to undermine the educational purpose of the school. meadowlander Dec 2020 #39

Do you really want to go down the road of school regulating every minute of a student's life? NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #42

I don't have a view one way or the other. I'm just trying to identify the relevant issue. meadowlander Dec 2020 #45

I disagree. NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #46

Do you think they should though? meadowlander Dec 2020 #56

You mix up prohibitions on behavior from prohibitions on speech. NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #59

One of the great things Obama did was talk about "teachable moments". It would be great to jalan48 Dec 2020 #29

When Larry Flynt, the publisher of Hustler magazine Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #31

Flynt was put on trial in Hamilton Co. (Cincinnati) when I was in High School maxsolomon Dec 2020 #47

I'm glad she sued, and I'm glad she won DavidDvorkin Dec 2020 #36

The young woman may have won her court fight... PJMcK Dec 2020 #40

Wow. Hyperbole much? Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #57

I apologize for not expressing myself well PJMcK Dec 2020 #72

I sincerely hope that the Supreme Court upholds the ruling Tarc Dec 2020 #44

Ninth grade? I told the principal to "go fuck yourself!" in front of everybody Dem2 Dec 2020 #48

That makes you the equivalent of Donald Trump according to some here. Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #58

My late father taught me one important credo Dem2 Dec 2020 #71

Yes it's just you. Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #49

Great for me. You follow the herd, you step in sh!t. IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #51

This is tricky Trenzalore Dec 2020 #52

I have no problem with speech having consequences. So long as the government isn't the one onenote Dec 2020 #63

If you do not like this ruling... MicaelS Dec 2020 #64

No in-between huh? IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #74

First rule of social media: Never say anything you will regret later! Initech Dec 2020 #65

I've always approached this subject that being on a team was a privilege and not a right. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2020 #67

The first amendment states... franzwohlgemuth Dec 2020 #68

Times are so different now StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #69

Everyone has the right of free speech. MineralMan Dec 2020 #80

What specifically leads you to believe as such? LanternWaste Dec 2020 #84

No term papers for me today. LOL IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #86

So I guess we have given up on the idea that schools help develop the character of their students. Klaralven Dec 2020 #85