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StarfishSaver

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69. Times are so different now

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:46 AM

Dec 2020

"Back in my day ..." if the school punished me and my friends for what we said outside of school, we'd have been suspended year round. The difference was that we didn't document our comments on social media where everyone in our circle, family, community and the world could see it. We just said it, our words floated into the atmosphere where it dissolved forever and and that was the end of that.

I am so glad I came of age during a time when I could screw up and, contrary to my teachers' warnings, it didn't end up on my "permanent record."

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A Cheerleader's Vulgar Message Prompts a First Amendment Showdown [View all] IsItJustMe Dec 2020 OP

I also believe in free speech, as well as facing its consequences, but I hope The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #1

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Agreed. lunatica Dec 2020 #50

What about race hatred speech, or religious intolerant speech? I believe that the Court Blue_true Dec 2020 #53

"Hate speech" is and should be protected by the first amendment. NYC Liberal Dec 2020 #61

Hmm. What about racist speech? Beakybird Dec 2020 #2

I realize it's a two edge sword, with a thousand different situations ln different contexts. IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #4

I don't want the school involved in anything outside of school jimfields33 Dec 2020 #5

What about a school bullying situation? IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #33

with the prevalence of social media "outside of school" takes on a new meaning. Blue_true Dec 2020 #54

Not to be "chicken-shit," but....... MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #7

If the kid said it in class, or on school grounds then fine. Otherwise, Volaris Dec 2020 #11

I meant two different situations. Racist speech off of school grounds I would want regulated. Beakybird Dec 2020 #14

Got it. Yes, were on the same page then :) Volaris Dec 2020 #15

So you want a narrow ruling? the 3rd Circuit three open the flood gate Blue_true Dec 2020 #55

The NYT had a long article on a similar topic yesterday. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #17

That happened in Leesburg, Virginia. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #21

She was a star cheerleader and U Tennessee has national-championship Hortensis Dec 2020 #23

I am not sure the punishment equals the crime, however... redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #24

She was in Virginia. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #25

It isn't really a double standard JonLP24 Dec 2020 #70

The problem is having a word that is only acceptable for some to use. ripcord Dec 2020 #77

Not really JonLP24 Dec 2020 #82

Yes. Fwiw, your example had a pattern of repetitive misbehavior Hortensis Dec 2020 #26

I grew up in small white town full of racists redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #28

I'm sure you're right. My issue isn't that what the girl Hortensis Dec 2020 #30

Well, I Hope She Was RobinA Dec 2020 #76

Oh, sure, this will follow him also, anywhere his name is searched on. Hortensis Dec 2020 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Dec 2020 #43

She used the hard "r" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #62

Would that have made a difference? maxsolomon Dec 2020 #73

Nope wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #83

I Would Favor RobinA Dec 2020 #75

How is her life ruined? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #79

While it was a rather juvenile outburst on her part, MineralMan Dec 2020 #3

The word was apparently "Fuck". Whoop de doo. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #6

This COLGATE4 Dec 2020 #9

Fuck that school MenloParque Dec 2020 #8

Yeah, fuck everything!!! LOL IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #12

A bit of exaggeration MenloParque Dec 2020 #22

Can a employer punish you for posts about terrible boss? Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #13

The vast majority of employers can fire you for almost any reason they can think of. IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #20

The public makes coaching and teaching harder. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #10

Maybe teach that Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #32

Did your folks expect your coaches and teachers kcr Dec 2020 #35

Everyone in my family were teachers LakeArenal Dec 2020 #41

Teachers and coaches should have ZERO power over students outside school. MicaelS Dec 2020 #66

Then folks need to quit riding teachers for things parents should be doing. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #81

Speech is free. Consequences are paid in full. Over-reactions are ridiculous. Moostache Dec 2020 #16

The parents are supposed to do the disciplining Bluesaph Dec 2020 #18

The F word? Is that all? The word we hear on TV every day? mainer Dec 2020 #19

Yeah, I don't see why she needs to be punished at all Withywindle Dec 2020 #60

There was already a SCOTUS case on the phrase "fuck the draft". NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #27

Wasn't there also a one about a 14 year old making a sexually suggestive nomination for student meadowlander Dec 2020 #37

It has to be disruptive to a school event NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #38

I thought it just had to undermine the educational purpose of the school. meadowlander Dec 2020 #39

Do you really want to go down the road of school regulating every minute of a student's life? NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #42

I don't have a view one way or the other. I'm just trying to identify the relevant issue. meadowlander Dec 2020 #45

I disagree. NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #46

Do you think they should though? meadowlander Dec 2020 #56

You mix up prohibitions on behavior from prohibitions on speech. NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #59

One of the great things Obama did was talk about "teachable moments". It would be great to jalan48 Dec 2020 #29

When Larry Flynt, the publisher of Hustler magazine Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #31

Flynt was put on trial in Hamilton Co. (Cincinnati) when I was in High School maxsolomon Dec 2020 #47

I'm glad she sued, and I'm glad she won DavidDvorkin Dec 2020 #36

The young woman may have won her court fight... PJMcK Dec 2020 #40

Wow. Hyperbole much? Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #57

I apologize for not expressing myself well PJMcK Dec 2020 #72

I sincerely hope that the Supreme Court upholds the ruling Tarc Dec 2020 #44

Ninth grade? I told the principal to "go fuck yourself!" in front of everybody Dem2 Dec 2020 #48

That makes you the equivalent of Donald Trump according to some here. Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #58

My late father taught me one important credo Dem2 Dec 2020 #71

Yes it's just you. Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #49

Great for me. You follow the herd, you step in sh!t. IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #51

This is tricky Trenzalore Dec 2020 #52

I have no problem with speech having consequences. So long as the government isn't the one onenote Dec 2020 #63

If you do not like this ruling... MicaelS Dec 2020 #64

No in-between huh? IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #74

First rule of social media: Never say anything you will regret later! Initech Dec 2020 #65

I've always approached this subject that being on a team was a privilege and not a right. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2020 #67

The first amendment states... franzwohlgemuth Dec 2020 #68

Times are so different now StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #69

Everyone has the right of free speech. MineralMan Dec 2020 #80

What specifically leads you to believe as such? LanternWaste Dec 2020 #84

No term papers for me today. LOL IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #86

So I guess we have given up on the idea that schools help develop the character of their students. Klaralven Dec 2020 #85