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malaise

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Sat Jan 2, 2021, 07:26 AM

Jan 2021

This is not something new, because this is par for the course in discussions with people of privilege. The person you were talking to is a man - check. Was he white? Another check. He has an Ivy League education - so middle class or higher. Check. People of privilege - cis straight white men, mainly - have never been too concerned with facts, and their education hasn't been meant to teach them to discern them, but rather they have been taught a curriculum that reinforces their 'superiority' over subaltern groups. Something is indeed seriously wrong, but that is not something new. What is new is that minorities are fighting back, and people with privilege are showing that they are indeed willing to burn the house down rather than share it. They are willing to kill indiscriminately if it reinstates their privileges and positions. Those with privilege are always willing to kill those who threaten our privilege - that is why white men and women voted for Trump.

Happy New Year KitSileya

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I had a discussion with someone today [View all] malaise Jan 2021 OP

I bet the guy can't differentiate between what conservativism and liberalism is. TheBlackAdder Jan 2021 #1

It was scary malaise Jan 2021 #4

Never Give An Inch DanieRains Jan 2021 #2

He told me nothing I said woul change his views malaise Jan 2021 #6

That's a radical conservative mindset you encountered. They won't change their views, instead Karadeniz Jan 2021 #9

We shouldn't allow them to change agreed concepts malaise Jan 2021 #33

I Like To Ask The Questions The Can't Answer DanieRains Jan 2021 #117

It's sad malaise Jan 2021 #123

A "friend" of mine said the same thing ... aggiesal Jan 2021 #62

If their actions are racist, who cares what is in their heart. SharonAnn Jan 2021 #58

That is the final and only point. plimsoll Jan 2021 #133

It's All Just Point/Counterpoint With Them, Regardless Of Observable Reality smb Jan 2021 #114

Ivy League educations aren't worth what they cost. iemitsu Jan 2021 #3

It's more a matter of you get out of it what you put in. unblock Jan 2021 #30

Prestigious universities The Wizard Jan 2021 #48

I grew up in public schools. soldierant Jan 2021 #52

Interesting way of looking at it unblock Jan 2021 #72

The students I saw working the hardest were the Vietnam vets. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2021 #115

Fabulous post malaise Jan 2021 #83

Wow - that is praise from Sir Hubert soldierant Jan 2021 #111

What you say is correct. iemitsu Jan 2021 #64

That is certainly true, but it takes more effort at a big state university. unblock Jan 2021 #73

Again, what you say is true but it is still up to iemitsu Jan 2021 #74

Agreed. You can lead a horse to water... unblock Jan 2021 #75

The best art teacher I had was at San Francisco State Beringia Jan 2021 #92

And the worst teacher I've ever had was my art teacher at Princeton unblock Jan 2021 #98

This is off topic, but I was listening to the Richard Diebenkorn interview Beringia Jan 2021 #99

That is not only a good observation, but dangerous ground to tread upon.. Newest Reality Jan 2021 #5

Happy New Year malaise Jan 2021 #13

Oh, sorry... Newest Reality Jan 2021 #19

It's called gaslighting. smirkymonkey Jan 2021 #7

No I don't think he was effing with my mind malaise Jan 2021 #10

Right Cosmocat Jan 2021 #59

Sure looked that way to me malaise Jan 2021 #77

Intelligence and morality don't always come in the same package. By the way, we may not know Karadeniz Jan 2021 #8

I don't care what's in Killa Kon's heart malaise Jan 2021 #11

Exactly!!! Karadeniz Jan 2021 #15

Think what should be his ❤️, is a sack of bile. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #27

This is a dilemma caused by perspective. Baitball Blogger Jan 2021 #12

Can't disagree with you re words like Anglo but I thought we all had malaise Jan 2021 #20

Happy New Years to you, malaise. Baitball Blogger Jan 2021 #22

It is the human condition ismnotwasm Jan 2021 #14

This is profound malaise Jan 2021 #21

Of course they want to redefine words to suit their purposes SheltieLover Jan 2021 #16

Same to you SheltieLover malaise Jan 2021 #25

Right! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #35

That whole "what's in his heart" is bullshit. Diversionary bullshit. What matters is what people DO. RockRaven Jan 2021 #17

Precisely malaise Jan 2021 #23

Happy New Year to you as well! RockRaven Jan 2021 #28

+100 nt reACTIONary Jan 2021 #61

Intent is overemphasized in America. This is probably due to puritanical heritage unblock Jan 2021 #36

It is total bullshit. you are so right. JDC Jan 2021 #47

The ontological war is a key component of the so-called cultural war unblock Jan 2021 #18

THIS malaise Jan 2021 #24

And that's why nothing you say can change their minds unblock Jan 2021 #46

Here is Hitler with love in his heart for his Dogs. Eko Jan 2021 #26

I rarely engage in this sort of BS malaise Jan 2021 #29

Madness it is. Eko Jan 2021 #31

Debriefing from the cult is needed SheltieLover Jan 2021 #40

I don't know what to think anymore... stillcool Jan 2021 #32

Plato's cave comes to mind. niyad Jan 2021 #37

Their own view of reality is correct - malaise Jan 2021 #39

Ivy League education? Was he a legacy admission, like bush the lesser? niyad Jan 2021 #34

No malaise Jan 2021 #41

Post removed Post removed Jan 2021 #38

Good point - I had an argument with a sibling malaise Jan 2021 #43

Their amygdala hasn't evolved to the level of critical thinking; IMHO - Rush and Fox took 42bambi Jan 2021 #42

Their BS-meter Has Been Short Circuited modrepub Jan 2021 #44

Don't bother arguing with people like this - NotANeocon Jan 2021 #45

Cultists... paleotn Jan 2021 #49

They don't have the courage to admit Joinfortmill Jan 2021 #50

i have found reasoning with the educated is very similar to to reasoning with the uneducated Demonaut Jan 2021 #51

Like Bill Maher said, "There are two things Republicans can't stand, Hoyt Jan 2021 #53

OMG laughed for 5 minutes. Truth hurts BigBearJohn Jan 2021 #66

Nailed it malaise Jan 2021 #78

The problem is that they probably are racists and don't want you to notice it. Renew Deal Jan 2021 #54

That's what cults do relayerbob Jan 2021 #55

The person may have an Ivy league in education, but the cultist iluvtennis Jan 2021 #56

The absence of critical thinking is a major problem but they could start with the meaning of malaise Jan 2021 #79

+ agree. iluvtennis Jan 2021 #101

You had the wrong conversation. BasicallyComplicated Jan 2021 #57

Perfect malaise Jan 2021 #81

AFAIC, the "educated" cultists are by far the worst ones to try and reason with and mtnsnake Jan 2021 #60

You don't know what's in his heart? TexasBushwhacker Jan 2021 #63

An educated idiot is still an idiot BigBearJohn Jan 2021 #65

Indeed malaise Jan 2021 #80

Same to you my friend, and many more!! BigBearJohn Jan 2021 #95

They live in a fact-free world dlk Jan 2021 #67

Racism is pretty insidious. I was raised white suburban in the sixties and seventies. PatrickforO Jan 2021 #68

I get what you're saying but unless I know that your parents prevented others malaise Jan 2021 #82

I never thought of it that way. Thanks. PatrickforO Jan 2021 #96

some people like to identify as an underdog. That way, anything they do is justified. demigoddess Jan 2021 #69

They don't care about words ... or anyone or anything but themselves. nt live love laugh Jan 2021 #70

Republicanese DFW Jan 2021 #71

Education, for many, is a painful experience. Mopar151 Jan 2021 #76

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." patricia92243 Jan 2021 #84

I like that malaise Jan 2021 #124

Ivy League "educated": moondust Jan 2021 #85

That asshole in the first pic didn't even sit his own SATs malaise Jan 2021 #86

Kinda disturbing. moondust Jan 2021 #89

LOL DENVERPOPS Jan 2021 #112

When the head of the class moondust Jan 2021 #121

Intent ("what is in his heart") is irrelevant KitSileya Jan 2021 #87

Great post malaise Jan 2021 #90

Happy New Year to you too, malaise KitSileya Jan 2021 #113

One of the biggest casualties of the trump years has been truth. panader0 Jan 2021 #88

It started with Spicer and the inauguration crowd size malaise Jan 2021 #91

I think I would be hard pressed to find any example of a person Beringia Jan 2021 #93

I don't waste my time arguing with them. Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #94

Control the language, control the dialogue, control the people... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #97

They have gotten away with redefining words for quite some time. murielm99 Jan 2021 #100

Well Democrats have allowed them to rename the party malaise Jan 2021 #103

So True Roy Rolling Jan 2021 #102

Orwell "animal farm" and "1984" both deal with this aspect of totalarianism MadLinguist Jan 2021 #104

Precisely. Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #110

they have never cared for facts . AllaN01Bear Jan 2021 #105

Like "socialist" treestar Jan 2021 #106

He and his ilk live in Wonderland, where Humpty Dumpty said to Alice, "The words mean ancianita Jan 2021 #107

Good job curthayden Jan 2021 #108

Did you ask him what the functional difference is between Maru Kitteh Jan 2021 #109

No there was no such discussion malaise Jan 2021 #127

Happy New Year, dear Malaise. Who knew we Maru Kitteh Jan 2021 #135

This person is likely racist sdfernando Jan 2021 #116

I didn't see Republicans becoming philosophical social constructionists either. aikoaiko Jan 2021 #118

We must cultivate a more truthful -- and useful -- understanding. pat_k Jan 2021 #119

It's like they don't want to be honest, so you get feeble excuses. 58Sunliner Jan 2021 #120

Orwell predicted this. milestogo Jan 2021 #122

You really can't ever call someone a "racist" without losing ground. gulliver Jan 2021 #125

"Alternative Facts" built to support their white entitlement. White groups (wink) are patriotic. Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #126

But WTF does patriotism mean when your cult leader is responsible for the deaths of malaise Jan 2021 #128

Many are too blind or brainwashed to know the distinction. Cult 45 is just that. Willing. Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #137

It's the natural tendency of humans, but especially low info/not very intellctually gifted people Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2021 #129

Just like educated people can lack common sense, the same applies to education and racism. appleannie1 Jan 2021 #130

Having an ivy Rebl2 Jan 2021 #131

They have been about redefining words from way back! jimlup Jan 2021 #132

Nope. That's How Conservatives Roll. DAngelo136 Jan 2021 #134

Beware the sub-humans out there! Aussie105 Jan 2021 #136