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In reply to the discussion: I had a discussion with someone today [View all]ancianita
(42,966 posts)107. He and his ilk live in Wonderland, where Humpty Dumpty said to Alice, "The words mean
what I want them to mean when I say them."
The question is, said Alice, whether you can make words mean so many different things.
The question is, said Humpty Dumpty. which is to be masterthats all.
Your someone doesn't care about honesty, agreement or acceptance -- least of all, win-win communication.
He believes what Limbaugh once wrote an article about 35 Undeniable Truths -- that "words mean things."
But words also DO things.
If your someone were honest about the idea that we are more what we say and do than what we believe ourselves to be, they'd know what you meant by 'irrational.'
Regardless, now YOU know that he projects his same "master of words" attitude onto liberals, as if they're not rational, either. Pretty Trumpy, isn't he. Where every discussion is about win-lose, not win-win.
Most of us rightly think that no matter what words are used, as long as the ideas conveyed by the individuals that use those words are understood by the individuals that receive them, then communication takes place and they have understanding (win-win). Doesn't mean they have agreement or acceptance, but they're understood and there's communication.
If one cares to use the same words their audience uses, they tend to be understood more easily, even if they don't accept or agree on the topic.
Rational or not, your Ivy league someone intends to be the Humpty Dumpty master of words he says, and so fails to communicate. It's a feature of narcissism. And a narcissist doesn't care if s/he communicates. Which breaks Communication Rule #1 I used to teach in my English classes.
You won't change him.
Glad to read your post, though.
The question is, said Alice, whether you can make words mean so many different things.
The question is, said Humpty Dumpty. which is to be masterthats all.
Your someone doesn't care about honesty, agreement or acceptance -- least of all, win-win communication.
He believes what Limbaugh once wrote an article about 35 Undeniable Truths -- that "words mean things."
But words also DO things.
If your someone were honest about the idea that we are more what we say and do than what we believe ourselves to be, they'd know what you meant by 'irrational.'
Regardless, now YOU know that he projects his same "master of words" attitude onto liberals, as if they're not rational, either. Pretty Trumpy, isn't he. Where every discussion is about win-lose, not win-win.
Most of us rightly think that no matter what words are used, as long as the ideas conveyed by the individuals that use those words are understood by the individuals that receive them, then communication takes place and they have understanding (win-win). Doesn't mean they have agreement or acceptance, but they're understood and there's communication.
If one cares to use the same words their audience uses, they tend to be understood more easily, even if they don't accept or agree on the topic.
Rational or not, your Ivy league someone intends to be the Humpty Dumpty master of words he says, and so fails to communicate. It's a feature of narcissism. And a narcissist doesn't care if s/he communicates. Which breaks Communication Rule #1 I used to teach in my English classes.
You won't change him.
Glad to read your post, though.
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I bet the guy can't differentiate between what conservativism and liberalism is.
TheBlackAdder
Jan 2021
#1
That's a radical conservative mindset you encountered. They won't change their views, instead
Karadeniz
Jan 2021
#9
The students I saw working the hardest were the Vietnam vets.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
Jan 2021
#115
That is not only a good observation, but dangerous ground to tread upon..
Newest Reality
Jan 2021
#5
Intelligence and morality don't always come in the same package. By the way, we may not know
Karadeniz
Jan 2021
#8
That whole "what's in his heart" is bullshit. Diversionary bullshit. What matters is what people DO.
RockRaven
Jan 2021
#17
Intent is overemphasized in America. This is probably due to puritanical heritage
unblock
Jan 2021
#36
Their amygdala hasn't evolved to the level of critical thinking; IMHO - Rush and Fox took
42bambi
Jan 2021
#42
i have found reasoning with the educated is very similar to to reasoning with the uneducated
Demonaut
Jan 2021
#51
The problem is that they probably are racists and don't want you to notice it.
Renew Deal
Jan 2021
#54
The absence of critical thinking is a major problem but they could start with the meaning of
malaise
Jan 2021
#79
AFAIC, the "educated" cultists are by far the worst ones to try and reason with and
mtnsnake
Jan 2021
#60
Racism is pretty insidious. I was raised white suburban in the sixties and seventies.
PatrickforO
Jan 2021
#68
some people like to identify as an underdog. That way, anything they do is justified.
demigoddess
Jan 2021
#69
They don't care about words ... or anyone or anything but themselves. nt
live love laugh
Jan 2021
#70
Orwell "animal farm" and "1984" both deal with this aspect of totalarianism
MadLinguist
Jan 2021
#104
He and his ilk live in Wonderland, where Humpty Dumpty said to Alice, "The words mean
ancianita
Jan 2021
#107
I didn't see Republicans becoming philosophical social constructionists either.
aikoaiko
Jan 2021
#118
"Alternative Facts" built to support their white entitlement. White groups (wink) are patriotic.
Evolve Dammit
Jan 2021
#126
But WTF does patriotism mean when your cult leader is responsible for the deaths of
malaise
Jan 2021
#128
Many are too blind or brainwashed to know the distinction. Cult 45 is just that. Willing.
Evolve Dammit
Jan 2021
#137
It's the natural tendency of humans, but especially low info/not very intellctually gifted people
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2021
#129
Just like educated people can lack common sense, the same applies to education and racism.
appleannie1
Jan 2021
#130